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Read what I said in your other topic. Put some time and effort into your topics. This isn't a competition for SEE HOW MANY DEBATE TOPICS YOU CAN MAKE IN ONE DAY. Fix one of these topics up or both of them. If not, I will be forced to lock one or the other.

I think lyric was halfway through posting this one when you posted in the other, ASE

yeah i'd say doctors should have a right to refuse performing an abortion, but i don't think it should ever come down to a situation like

"hello doctor, i need to have an abortion"
"SORRY I DON'T DO THAT - you make me sick"

i don't know how abortion clinics work but wouldn't it make sense for doctor's to have to sign some kind of form which would allow them to stay out of the clinics, or something like that? you know, an opt out because it's against their moral or religious beliefs. that way doctors who are die hard anti-abortion never have to step foot in an abortion clinic, that is, if they ever do already. but that could bring problems. if too many doctors are opting out and people can't get abortions there would be trouble, and it might open the door to other special interests like anti-amputation doctors wanting opt-outs for that kind of thing.

man i know nothing about how these things actually work, i'm just trying to think from a stand point of keeping things fair and peaceable.

i think abortion should always be an option to a woman who has become pregnant and for whatever reason doesn't want the baby. i don't think many women would take the decision likely and if they go as far as getting one then it was probably for the best. my view is that the things that really make us human are our relationships, memories and experiences. when people die, these things all go away and that hurts and that's what makes killing such an awful thing - developing fetuses don't have any of these things. unless they can survive independently from their mothers and their brains are developed to consciousness, i don't think it is wrong to have an abortion. it's sad, and it's pretty upsetting to think about, but sometimes it is just what should be done for the sake of everyone involved.

i just typed a bunch more in favour of abortion but reading it back i realised it's alot more grey than that. cos if a baby which would have otherwise been aborted was actually born, then possibilities start popping up all over the place. even if it was put up for adoption, there is every chance it could be adopted and have a great life, or maybe the mother could become a good mother and the kid would have a decent life.

but even saying that, i don't consider developing fetuses to be human beings because they don't feel like we do and they can't survive on their own (you know, until they can, at which point it becomes too late. so the possibilities make it sad, but not immoral.

so with all of that, i obviously think that doctor's who refuse to perform abortions are wrong in their stance, and it becomes a question of how much ground do i want to give to a position i think is wrong? my battery is running out so i'll think about that for la

I agree with this, I think abortion should be a right.
But one thing I fear though, is that the government takes abortion as THE solution that closes the discussion, you know?

Like for instance, in Quebec, we no longer have sex ed classes. I think those are very important, we have to make sure kids know about contraception, so to try and prevent at least some of the cases of unwanted pregnancies. And also while they're there, teach kids about how to prevent sexually transmissible diseases and stuff.

I am pretty sure abortion is a horrible decision to take, and a horrible time to go through for any mother, and sexual education could prevent a lot of these situations in the first place.

For about doctor's right to choose, I am not sure honestly. Do doctors have the right to refuse operations that are legal, because of personal moral reasons? I really don't know what to think about this part.

In high school we got made to watch a movie where a woman aborted her baby (and herself) by sticking a knitting needle up herself.

Ever since then I have been pro-abortion. It should be free and accessible to people who are under pressure of "my life is ruined i'm up the duff!"

if they become doctors, i dont think they have the right to refuse, because abortion is a fundamental right. its like saying catholic pharmaceuists can refuse to give out condoms or contraception pills, or that racist doctors can refuse to operate on black people.

because of the hippocratic oath they have a duty to help people out, but i could easily understand a doctor not wanting to amputate limbs from children or something similiar. it really depends on who the doctor is working for as to what they can or can't refuse imo

I'm totally against taking away human lives, even in the form of fetuses, but I'm pro-abortion. It seems to me that things would get worse if there was no abortion. It would like create a new unsafe black market.

I'm an idiot sorry my reasoning sucks.

because of the hippocratic oath they have a duty to help people out, but i could easily understand a doctor not wanting to amputate limbs from children or something similiar. it really depends on who the doctor is working for as to what they can or can't refuse imo

i see what u did there

its like saying catholic pharmaceuists can refuse to give out condoms or contraception pills

There's actually a really interesting article about states trying to pass legislation about this:

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/19/national/19pill.html

Some pharmacies wanted to make it legal for individual pharmacists to refuse to give out the morning-after, but allow their fellow co-workers who don't have moral objections to do so

the morning-after pill, there's a huge controversy around here because of that. The court judged it inconstitutional to give free morning-after pill in public hospitals. so now it supposedly illegal to do so, but they rich people still can buy it, so it's kinda stupid.
Anyway about the doctors, I think a doctor could refuse to perform it AS LONG as he gives the patient a contact to another doctor that WILL do it. that way it won't happen that a patient will have a hard time finding one, but the doctor who says it's against his principles, won't have to do it himself.