Ok I am convinced that either Jeremy Kyle, Jerry Springer or Oprah has just opened a GW account under the guise Lyric.

You know, debate topics would be more effective if you posted them like... one at a time and NOT A DELUGE OF THEM so people can concentrate better on ONE DEBATE AT A TIME. Just a hint of advice...

Lyric is massdebating.

Did anyone else think "I'm gonna live for-e-ver!" when they saw this topic's title? Just curious.

hahahaha man this is getting stupid but okay! fuck it!

there are two kinds of fame i guess and for talking sake i'll call one fame and the other celebrity. celebrity is worthless - celebrity is being famous for being famous, being famous for being paris hilton etc. these people have not achieved anything remarkable, they aren't intelligent, impressive, brave or special in any way. they are simply famous, they are cardboard stock personalities like DIVA who people like to read about because people are stupid. this kind of fame i find really unattractive and i kind of feel lame by even talking about it. it's so bad, so worthless and stupid that putting more thought into it than "pfft, idiots." is embarassing.

the other kind of fame is more like being renowned. you've done something and people know about you because it was remarkable, intelligent, impressive, brave or special. you are a renowned author, filmmaker. a renowned politicial activist, or humanitarian - whatever you done, or how you live, it's remarkable so people know about you for it. this isn't fame of personality, although it usually helps, but you've got some substance there and people are interested because you do interesting things.

that kind of fame i wouldn't have any particular problem with. i mean the paparazzi are banging down the doors of the jokes and the spectacles, not the substantial. cos you can't get a scandal out of those guys which can be explained in a headline. 

i don't have any particular desire to be famous, but sure if i done something which i was proud of then i'd liked to be recognised for it in that field. people coming up "oh you're mr. jamicus, eh? i heard about that smashing report of yours! have a cigar why don't you!?!?!" - anybody would love that shit.

but the other kind is indulgent, pornographic, debasing and gross.

Everyone says Im infamous! What the hell does that even mean? I opened my menu and checked my stats and I got like -4 fame

fame fucking sucks, leave me alone.

fame makes the process of socialization to be a really odd one, it is not natural.
hiIamParanoid basically

I don't know if id like to be famous myself.

When people are famous just for being famous, people just judge THEM, as people.
Everyone is flawed and imperfect, bound to be ridiculed or judged somehow. Its not a coincidence if people in reality shows usually seem horrible, or stupid, because thats what people really are, and the more you follow someone's life closely, the more you come to terms with how human and flawed they are. People are arrogant, vain, weird, dumb, naive, ugly. People are people. Anyone has a potential scandal about his past, his opinions on stuff, whatever.
Its for the same reasons marriages fail a lot these days: people are in love with who they think the other person is, but as they live with them for longer and longer, they come to realize the person they are with isn't who they thought. The more you know someone, the more chances you have of having reasons of hating that person.

But when someone is known for his work instead, only his work is judged. I think thats a much more healthy kind of fame, even if its much less glamorous.

i would like to be rich but not famous