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Mondays on ABC - 10pm EST

I don't know how many people would actually be interested in watching this show along with me and discussing it weekly here, but I'd at least encourage you to check out the premiere episode which is now up on youtube and below in this post.

Basically, if you've never heard or watched it before, the Mole series is a reality competition (wait... keep reading!) in which the contestants work as a group to add money to a pot that only one of them will win. Among the contestants is one person who has been secretly designated "the Mole" by the producers and is tasked with sabotaging the group's money-making efforts. At the end of each episode, the contestant who knows the least about who the mole is, as decided by the results of a 10-question multiple choice quiz, is eliminated from the game.

This is the quite frankly the best reality show that has been conceptualized. It's intelligent and it actually allows you to think as a viewer - something that's missing from the large majority of other reality tv. Even if you absolutely abhor reality tv you may be intrigued by this game... it just sucks you in. You'll be scratching your head trying to figure out who the saboteur is.. but so many people will be your suspects.

The Mole was cancelled some 4 years ago and its finally back... so give it a shot - it'd be such a shame if it was canned again because of lack of viewership. The timeslot is kind of late but I hope it works out for the show.

Each episode has a clue inserted in it by the editors as to the true identity of the Mole, so it's fun to look for these. Of course, it's also important to look at everyone's actions throughout each challenge to see who is sabotaging them.

As promised here's the premiere episode. If you're not really convinced at least watch the first clip.

Episode 1

DON'T LET THIS TOPIC DIE. PLEASE LET THERE BE ANOTHER MOLE VIEWER IN GW.
Last Edit: June 06, 2008, 03:14:18 am by Mateui
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I saw the first season when it came out on Fox Reality (it was like on a Saturday and ran all the episodes back to back). It was pretty cool, and I was constantly changing my opinion of which person could be the mole until the last three people, just something about the way the person acted gave it away. I hated the gimmicky crap they had at the end of it though. Like, "Oh look at the 4 minute mark of the first episode, the fourth bag had four letters and the fourth person to enter the group was the mole, har har har". If it's as good or better than the first mole, then I might TiVo it.

man, you are all about the reality shows huh.
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I saw the first season when it came out on Fox Reality (it was like on a Saturday and ran all the episodes back to back). It was pretty cool, and I was constantly changing my opinion of which person could be the mole until the last three people, just something about the way the person acted gave it away. I hated the gimmicky crap they had at the end of it though. Like, "Oh look at the 4 minute mark of the first episode, the fourth bag had four letters and the fourth person to enter the group was the mole, har har har". If it's as good or better than the first mole, then I might TiVo it.

man, you are all about the reality shows huh.
Season 1 was good, but I actually like Season 2 much more (although I was disappointed with the Mole in that season... however the cast was great and Anderson was on top of his game. It's a shame he's a bigshot CNN anchor and can't host this anymore.)

As to your last sentence... hey, if I had to give up watching all reality tv and choose only one show, I'd choose the Mole in a heartbeat.
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I'm so stoked they brought this back. This is like the only reality show that hasn't gone downhill.
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Oh man, The Mole is back?! Fuckin' sweeeeeeet I loved this show when it was showing on Australian TV but then it just STOPPED and never came back. I fucking love The Mole ;-;
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Anderson Cooper was way better than this guy.

edit: holy fuck this show is way more terrible than I remember or it got worse. christ.
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Anderson Cooper was way better than this guy.

edit: holy fuck this show is way more terrible than I remember or it got worse. christ.
The production values have gone down for this, and the show was actually created on short notice. ABC gave the creators only a few weeks to get a cast, come up with challenges and film everything and edit it - so of course it's not going to be as high tech as the previous seasons. John Kelly isn't such a good host but I've heard reports that he gets more comfortable in his position as the show goes on. Maybe I'm being blinded by fanboyism but I liked the premiere. The cast seems pretty good and full of volatile personalities... I mean, the preview for the next episode shows people giving each other death threats... and it's only episode 2. I think that if the players provide the entertainment I'll be able to forgive the host and any lack lustre challenges that may appear.
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also I'm stupid butttt maybe I think I picked up on two of the hints; I never play the game but maybe one of you does.

1. he gave them a message on a lime green PSP or something. it was really strange, and idk if they are going to repeat that but maybe one of the competitors comes from the place where PSPs are made.

2. there was that really weird line about Chile's native drink being a something sour.
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As to the clues, I don't know Steel... #1 doesn't really seem like a Mole clue - they've never been that out there before - and the clues are usually inserted digitally, so I don't think that something they would show to the players would give hints at this point. (They usually give the players in-game clues as the game goes on, but they tell them that they are clues...). As to #2, I can't remember that statement. Was it something John Kelly said at supper?

Here's another potential clue - various religious imagery was shown right before the quiz. Among them, this:


GRATIA PLENA is latin for "full of grace". I'm thinking that this indicates the Mole is female. Maybe Ali since she was the only player to have been shown being religious.  :fogetmmh:
Last Edit: June 08, 2008, 01:20:43 am by Mateui
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Wait, The Mole has actual clues in it?! I never knew that they gave hint/clues to the audience. I didn't even looked for clues. Also, whats the gif a clue of?
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Wait, The Mole has actual clues in it?! I never knew that they gave hint/clues to the audience. I didn't even looked for clues. Also, whats the gif a clue of?
Yeah, they always say "watch for the hidden clue" at the start of each episode. If you watched season 2 of the Mole US (best season ever by the way IMO) here are the clues they used:


As to the gif, it's not a clue or anything. I just like how Victoria is "what? ... WHAT???!!!!"
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yeah I remember the apple one which is why I remembered the pisco sours and stuff. I don't PLAY THIS SHIT though, they were just both odd.
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Alright I got my season pass set up for it. So, soley basing your judgement on events from the first episode, who do you think the Mole is? I was gonna try and set up an event, but I couldn't come up with a good way of doing it/couldn't think of anything to give the winner. You can change your opinion later as more hints are revealed and what-not, but I want to know yalls initially guesses.

EDIT: The Gratia Plena looks like some words come before it, based on the arch. "Ave Maria Gratia Plena" might be the whole thing. It was a poem by Oscar Wilde and is also in a traditional Catholic hymn. There any Catholics on the show? Of course it could just be Ave Gratia Plena, which is the name of a hotel in Salerno, Italy.
Last Edit: June 08, 2008, 04:44:09 am by Aztec
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Pre-game I picked Kristen as the Mole for no reason, other then just having a feeling that the mole is going to be female. After the first episode I haven't changed my mind - she really didn't sabotage anything overtly, but I still suspect her...

I rewatched the opening credits since editors always throw in a clue or two there during each season, and I noticed something interesting. Each player had one of three lighting choices: no colour, a green lens flare, or a blue lens flare. Here are screencaps of the player's introductions in the order they appeared in the episode:

























So, in summary:

No light: Mark, Marcie, Liz, Craig
Green light: Victoria, Paul, Alex, Ali, Kristen
Blue light: Bobby, Nicole, Clay

Now, I don't know what these mean or if they mean anything at all at this point, but, since Marcie had no lighting and she was executed this may not bode well for Mark, Liz, and Craig. Maybe Green = possible mole suspect, and Blue = potential winner, or even the other way around.. hard to say at this point. I guess we'll have to watch and see what happens and see if a pattern emerges.

Audio Frequency Change?:
When Ali is introduced the music changes slightly - sort of like a CD scratch causing a change in tone/frequency. Just rewatch that part and you'll hear what I mean. I don't know if that's part of the musical score or an intentional change in the music.

Kristen's Green Flash:
Halfway through Kristen's introduction, when John Kelly says "neuroscientist" the screen flashes green for a millisecond. There are no such other sudden flashes during other players' sequences. I managed to get a screencap of this flash after much tinkering around. Let me tell you - pausing at that exact second wasn't easy. Rewatch her part and pay attention - especially when neuroscientist is said.

Does this mean she's the Mole or the winner? Who knows at this point. :P

Yeah... I have too much time on my hands... but I find this pretty fun.
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mateui holy shit you are out of your mind.
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I think the music change at Ali's is actually just the music going into the new movement, but it sounds as if they've hastily trimmed the theme without much care taken as to its flow. It sounds a bit jagged.

but yeah, jesus, Steel's right. I always heard about these people that OVERANALYZE shows, but I've never known one till now. :D I'm not calling you out or anything, like GOD YOU HAVE NO LIFE, it's kind of interesting to see someone else picking up on all this stuff.
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NEW DISCOVERY: Nicole rhymes with Mole, so I think she's the Mole.
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You know, the Mole is the only show I do this to... I'm not that crazy when it comes to other reality tv.... really...  :fogetshifty:

Here's that quote that you were talking about Steel: "These Pisco Sours are very tasty and habit forming. So may the mole be merciful."

Here are some interesting things other similarly obsessed people have noted:

The number 11 was highlighted in the episode when the host held up a journal with the number eleven. Also, on ABC's mole website they had the word "ElEvEn" in one of the images.

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I think the #11 is important, but you have to think a little deeper.

Since they've made it obvious that ElEvEn means something, it isn't going to be as obvious as "eleventh in the opening" or "eleventh confessional"

I think people are not taking one speculation in to as much consideration as they should.

At what other point was the number eleven important? Well, when Dr. Diva was on the beach and everyone sat down for dinner, there were only eleven contestants at the table. I am a firm believer in the "Last Supper" speculation. There's absolutely no way in my mind that the host's "Treat this as your last supper" comment didn't mean something.

So, if you look at the table as the Last Supper, and you place Jon Kelley in the Jesus spot... then Alex sits in the Judas spot. A subtle enough hint that people wouldn't think too much about it... and yet a good enough clue to bring back for the finale.

But, to add a little bit more... they went to commercial break. After the break, the first three images were the Virgin Mary, an angel and Jesus' crucifixion. The crucifixion image appears on the cue of the word 'execution.'

And there's more. During the quiz taking segment... a majority of the contestants speculated on who they thought was the Mole. Alex didn't have a confessional there... but he did appear. Jon Kelley said, "Question 10: Who is The Mole?" At the tail end of that question, we flash to Alex, saying nothing... just rubbing his forehead.

And if you want to add something silly to the equation... he rubbed his forehead... and what is on Alex's forehead? Two moles.

There's always a chance I'm reading WAY too much in to the Last Supper thing... but I am a firm believer that this is the Episode 1 clue. Biblical imagery has to be there for a reason... and that reason is our Judas... the Mole... Alex.

But then, another person interpreting the number 11...
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Ok, rewatching episode one... I think "11" is the first clue...and I think Mark is the Mole...

1. If you watch the introduction as the players are arriving in the car, 1st car, showing Clay & Victoria at the back, Bobby and Liz middle, then showing Nicole front, then Paul driving. 2nd car showing Craig, Marci & Ali at the back, we don't see Kristen but know where she sits (cause of her long hair showing)...then Alex driving. The puzzle here is that it seems like Alex's driving 2nd car, but he's actually driving 1st car, Liz's at the back...and Mark's no where to be seen.

2. When the host says place your suspicion on the card who's the Mole, the shot goes to Mark right away.

3. The first 2 tasks involve only 11 players.

4. Mark's the 11th jumper

5. Mark's intro is #2 (but if in flip the around, 1st intro is #12, then 2nd intro is #11)

6. Mark's 11th picture on the execution screen

7. After Mark's name got call, the next was Marci, first victim

8. With all the players doing confessions, Mark's the last person having a confession

9. After Marci got the red screen, first shot goes to Mark

On a totally unrelated note - also strangely, Victoria was the only person wearing a green helmet during the falls challenge. But that would be too blatant of a clue so I don't think it actually means anything.

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Also that part where Mark talks about why he wants the money, it just seems really, really fake to me. Especially when you consider that that amount of money isn't enough to be able to quit a job.
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The Mole is about to come on, this season better be good like you guys are sayin'.


I watched the intro where they did the Who... Is... The Mole animation.

Here's what the numbers and stuff are. In order of appearance.

W,
W<
WH
WH*
WH=
WHO
#HO
 :O

AF   8VFJI)G      (I messed up a lil' here)
            JI>
             IS
             ,S
              C
A            $
AF    8VF   &
        8VFJ8
        VFJK
           JT
            T
            T,
            T<
            TH
            TH&
            TH5
            THE
            "HE
              :E
               +


M@
MO
MO#
MO9
MOL
MOL0
MOLE


Watching it in slow motion. At the M@ I instantly thought "Male". So if this shit means anything, mole could be male. Also the MO9, who was the 9th person to join? Also the ":O" and ":E" are cool.

EDIT: At the executions, when your name it tapped it starts doing random letters below your pictures, but before that it has the name of the person who went before you. Now, when Samanthas picture was tapped, it had Erics name under her, and Eric was the person done before her. But when Bobby's name was tapped it had Amanda's name below him. So that means Amanda went before Bobby, but it never showed Amanda's "are you the moles victim" thing. Maybe they cut it out, but I always thought they  did the executions in order and whenever someone got the red thumbprint then they stopped doing executions. Now when they did Cray, the word "Hame" appeared under his name, which is the name of a part of a horse saddle. Bobby looks and acts like he's gay. Seems like he's the only homosexual in the bunch. Mole? After the executions, when the green thumbprint animations going and the random letters appear, you can clearly see the word "MOM" in bold font surrounded by light. A few frames later, when it says "The Mole" you can see the numbers "0 0 6" clearly beside it. Then a couple of frames later you can clearly see the letters "31" and "32" each once on the left side of "The Mole" and each once of the right side of it. Then one frame later, they turn into "24" and "42", then "53". THEN it has "The Mole" and the letter 6 beside it (there's that 6 again). Finally after the random letters and number stop appearing. It has "...Cess To Mission Critical To Stay" in the background.

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