You are an incredibly stupid person. For one because you say that an involuntary biological attribute is someone's choice to have, and also because you equate that supposed choice to be a sin. You might as well say that having black skin is a sin, and that everybody has the choice to be white, which is the same thing: a human biological trait that is completely beyond one's control.

If the bible stated that it's a sin to have black skin, would you have believed it as well? Of course, you believe everything that old book tells you, and what's worse is that you're religiously convinced that what it's preaching to you is a message of love.

You're one of the bad christians that constantly threatens our society from advancing past such a narrow mindset. You must reject the outdated political views that the bible holds; until you do, you're a fossil and nothing else.

Desmond Tutu once said the following: "If God, as they say, is homophobic, I wouldn't worship that God."

But then again, you would probably arduously attack that man for having such "liberal" views and for being a bad christian.

you don't get it. i'm saying that i think homosexuality IS a choice. it's not something like having black skin or anything like that at all. it is my opinion that being gay is a choice, and i'm sorry if you disagree. from the research i have seen and from personal experience, i really don't think that being gay is something people can't control. i've known people who WERE gay, but then became straight. so after witnessing others who defy this study, i don't see why believing what i've seen is a reason to call me an "incredibly stupid person". talk about being intolerant of others' beliefs. -_-

if the bible said being black was bad, well... it WOULDN'T say that. the things i see in the bible obviously are based on love. the bible says being gay is bad in the same way it says being a thief and a liar is bad, as i stated before. most people wouldn't disagree that lying and stealing is bad. the bible is talking about homosexuality in the same way: it is a way satan tempts humans, and can be overcome through God.

i'm sorry but i dont think the bible IS an outdated document. i believe it's the true word of god and that it can be applied to living in any time period. from what i've learned from reading it, it helps me make decisions and it is relevant to the current times.

i'm not one of those ridiculously conservative people who just spouts nonsense about "liberals are bad rawr" without even consulting the bible to form opinions about things.

If people don't agree with homosexuality, that's their choice and nothing you can do about it. It's just that some people try to use the Bible as an excuse, and my only point was that you can't take everything in it says so seriously. The Bible says a lot of things that wouldn't make sense today's world. I think homosexuality is starting to be one of them, because so many people are becoming more and more open. No one should "pretend to be straight" if that's not who they really are.

I actually think saying homosexuality grosses you out is a better "excuse" for disagreeing it as opposed to saying "because God said so." It shows that you at least have your own brain, however simple it is.

i don't use the bible as an excuse to disagree with homosexuality. i disagree with homosexuality because of the bible.
i take it seriously because i've seen God work in my life and i feel that it is the true word of God. if you really think about it and you pray, god will show you how things in the bible relate to life now. its not always simple, and that's why people have church and bible studies, if they choose to learn about God. i'm not saying people should pretend to be straight, not at all. as someone else said, people may have trouble choosing who they're attracted to, but they can always choose how they act upon their feelings. and through God, anything is possible... he can help someone to get over being gay, you know.

homosexuality doesn't gross me out. in fact, i've seen and liked gay porn and yaoi (something i'm not too proud of but hey everyone sins). i just feel like god is right when he says that homosexuality is a temptation that the devil creates. it's not a random belief of mine created from simply "Not liking gay people" or anything. i hate to sound like the guy who says "i cant be racist i have black friends", but i do have a lot of gay friends. i dont treat people differently just because they're gay or anything. it's just another sin, like lying. and of course i wouldn't be "grossed out" or something just because someone lies a lot, and it wouldn't stop me from being their friend.

I love this. People love to use the Bible to justify ignorant thinking like this, but conveniently leave out the part where it says women are to obey their husbands and that slavery is okay and slaves should never go against their masters.

Premarital sex is a "sin" as well, but no one trips off of that.

First of all, the bible was written a long ass time ago and by many different people. You can't apply most of those "rules" into day's world.  You can use it for your own moral guidance, but you shouldn't center your views around it.

i don't use the bible to justify things. i get my beliefs from the bible.

i am against premarital sex also, and so are many other people (So don't say "no one trips off that" just because the people in your small little world don't. you don't have a right to call me ignorant and mindless if you don't have a mind of your own.)

christianity DOES center its views around the bible (which is centered around love and forgiveness), and it's not like christianity has never done good for the world (YES i know its done bad too (crusades, etc) but that was because people approached it badly and weren't acting very christian AT ALL). where do you think all the orphanages and soup kitchens come from? the beliefs that things like that are necessary come from loving christian beliefs. people have applied the bible's messages all over the world in all time periods, and many people have benefited from it. don't try to say things don't apply, because i know from personal experience that it does.

p.s. so many people try to attack the bible by quoting things from the books of leviticus and deauteronomy in the old testament, that say it's okay to stone your children, etc... see, when Jesus came to earth, as told in the new testament, and died on the cross for everyone's sins, those old laws were essentially broken. look it up if you don't understand why those old laws don't apply anymore, and please don't use things you don't understand in this debate.


and i'm really getting sick of being personally attacked for my beliefs and other things. saying stuff like "she's into jap bondage ehehehe" is stupid and has nothing to do with anything. stop saying random things about me that aren't even true and are only distracting from what i'm saying and focusing attention on ME. if you could forget, JUST FOR THIS DEBATE, everything you know about me already and everything i've said, and the fact i'm a 13-year-old girl, then PLEASE DO.
people are assuming all sorts of things about me that just aren't true, using stereotypes of bad christians to base their views on me and skew what they think of my opinions. all i ask is that you read about what i believe without bias, and just CONSIDER if it could have any merit, rather than instantly calling me "stupid" and insulting the things i strongly believe in. i'm not trying to insult you, and i can understand why you have the beliefs you do. i just disagree, because the evidence provided isn't enough for me to believe.
you say i have mindless beliefs, yet it seems i'm the only one here who is actually thinking about these things and requiring more evidence to believe that people are genetically gay or straight. :|

and also, no one has proposed anything about asexual, bisexual, pansexual, metrosexual, etc...
is the study saying that gay men act feminine because their brains are like straight girls' brains? well, what about people who act feminine but AREN'T gay? and what about gays who are very masculine? and what about people who don't care about gender/sex or who are never attracted to anyone? what does the study (and generally the theory that sexuality is "nature, not nuture") say about all that?

mkkmypet, I have major respect for how you chose to respond with out having to insult someone, for a 9(lol) year old you sure are mature in presenting your opinion with out being an asshole, something a lot of people don't seem to know how to do! (or they do, but take comfort in remaining unknown since this is the internet.)

I pretty much agree with you, however I don't believe in the bible, but I also don't believe I have to right to tell people that their way of life is wrong (unless it's murder stealing..etc.)

people are assuming all sorts of things about me that just aren't true, using stereotypes of bad christians to base their views on me

sorry, based on that outrageously offensive post of yours i'd have to say you are one of the "bad christians!"

and i'm really getting sick of being personally attacked for my beliefs and other things.

You deserve it! Your beliefs are incredibly hateful. The majority of your post is really just a STRING of statements saying "no, i disagree, i believe in divisiveness and bigotry because the bible tells me so!"

I guess I will have to tell my gay friend who was kicked out of his home and beat up at school that he is just not trying hard enough

mkkypet do god and your parents approve of your japanese bondage shit

man this is a good post but where do you live that he is getting BEAT UP AT SCHOOL for being gay?  that's crazy!

He was from Wagoner, Oklahoma. Fairly small town.

Note that this is the state where people flock in support of politicians like Sally Kerns, who alleges that gays are more dangerous that terrorists

mkkmypet do you believe that women who have sex before marriage should be stoned at their fathers doorstep? what about wearing clothing made of two fabrics? what about eating pork?

boy, it sure is fun to selectively pick and choose what tenants of the Bible to adhere to!

You can be born any way or with any circumstances, but act a different way.

1. There are guys/girls who choose to act like the opposite gender. (You can claim genetic screwup here, but... doubt it).

2. Since it's scientifically shown that children take on the traits of their parents, being born into an abusive family suggests the child will be violent or abusive, etc. but there are some who make something of themselves.

Very often, research doesn't change anyone's opinion because neither side wants to admit that they're wrong.

again, this is like saying black people are born black but through their own selective willpower can will themselves white.