scientists study the scientific method and history of science. they KNOW what progress means. sure, my dad, as a scientist, has killed off hundreds of dogs in his studies.

people involved in the topic are biased, it's like asking a racist if racism is ethical. if i was dying and the cure for what i was dying of was a childs arm i'd probably go out and lop one off. it's only his arm vs my life.

i would be the worst person to ask about the morals of chopping someones arm off in that situation

well, maybe I can offer a middle ground.  overturn the federal restrictions, and leave it up to the fucking states.  you know, the way we were always intended to?  you may think I'm joking, but the federal laws should be finished by now.  the state and local governments are where things are actually supposed to get settled, but since congress wants to look busy, they've gone way beyond forming a more perfect union, establishing justice, insuring domestic tranquility, providing for the common defense, promoting the general welfare, and securing the blessings of liberty for us.  this way, if you don't agree with stem-cell research, you can move someplace else.  and continue to quietly reap all the benefits.

possibly the worst idea ever??

Dude, if you were even vaguely aware of how things are in Kentucky you'd know why leaving things up to the states is the dumbest fucking idea ever.

Well, I don't think the foetus is exactly a "potential life", seeing as how it is on its way to becoming a full fledged living, breathing human being. I personally think that human life begins at conception, and seeing as how it is a human foetus, taking its life or body without its consent for our sceintific or medical consumption seems to me to be morally wrong. To me, these aren't just mindless cells, because twenty some years down the road this could be another person like myself. Seeing as how the extraction of the stem cells kills the embryo, I don't think this is a valid way to get stem cells. If someone wants to give up their stem cells for research, I'm all for that, but I really don't think that abortions or using an aborted embro/foetus our own purposes afterwards is moral, despite the fact that it could improve the quality of life for other people. I just don't think using spare humans in any stage of development "for parts" is ever going to be morally acceptable to me, because of that empathetic dimension that I feel whittles it down to something like "take one life to save/improve another".

If they decide to genetically engineer synthetic embryonic stem cells in the future so that naturally concieved (ie human sperm+human egg) embryoes are not destroyed, I am not yet sure how I would feel about that.

I've always considered the potential logic to be based entirely on arbitrariety and bullshit.

For one, "on its way to becoming a full fledged human being"... Did you know that over one third of fecunded embryos naturally abort before the mother even realizes she's pregnant?
And "not some random cells, they could be just like you and me in twenty something years", well... Those bacteria producing shit in your intestines could be like you and me in some thousand million years...

But what really bugs me most? The stupid superiority-complex of human-beings... It has gotten to such a point that it can hamper our survival... Tell me, do you feel bad when you take an apple from a tree and eat it? No... I didn't think so.

Did you know a human embryo does not develop a TRULY functional nervous system until well into the second/third trimesters?

Basically... Killing an embryo in the segmentation stage is no different than killing a bacteria because the thing has absolutely no awareness of its surroundings or even itself.

bbbut.....lord kamina bbut it has a soul.......

you would never underztand jewish hethean

Dude, if you were even vaguely aware of how things are in Kentucky you'd know why leaving things up to the states is the dumbest fucking idea ever.

If the state of Kentucky was allowed to govern itself...

male masturbation is made illegal because sperm are potential life, and them dying is murder.
homosexuals to be stoned to death every tuesday
big stone tablet of ten commandments placed in every town centre
mass to congregate at said stone tablets every sunday followed by two hours self flagellation to cleans the soul
blacks to be shot within a 10 mile radius outside the kentucky border, blacks in kentucky to work on plantations
if no partner can be found at the age of 15, siblings must mate with each other.
Mentioning the word abortion is such a heracy that no word with the letters a-b next to each other can be mentioned unless in a biblical context
Mentioning the word evolution is a heracy
Mentioning a president's faults (apart from on race issues) is a heracy
every school must have weekly meetings about why the middle east must be nuked for the greater good.

what? are people seriously arguing against stem cell research in 2008? what? what's wrong with you? jesus christ.

Stem Cell Research is the weirdest 'touchy' subject I know of, including war on drugs and everything under that. The no-side is all about fucking pointless and empty principles that has no other effect than hold people's lives and good health as hostage so they can feel better about themselves.

this is the best lars post.

oh my god blitzen you are the stupidest guy alive.

seriously someone copy paste some of this shit for the gw awards next year did you seriously argue that my jizz in a condom is a potential life asdfafsafffffffffffff.

If the state of Kentucky was allowed to govern itself...

male masturbation is made illegal because sperm are potential life, and them dying is murder.
homosexuals to be stoned to death every tuesday
big stone tablet of ten commandments placed in every town centre
mass to congregate at said stone tablets every sunday followed by two hours self flagellation to cleans the soul
blacks to be shot within a 10 mile radius outside the kentucky border, blacks in kentucky to work on plantations
if no partner can be found at the age of 15, siblings must mate with each other.
Mentioning the word abortion is such a heracy that no word with the letters a-b next to each other can be mentioned unless in a biblical context
Mentioning the word evolution is a heracy
Mentioning a president's faults (apart from on race issues) is a heracy
every school must have weekly meetings about why the middle east must be nuked for the greater good.

and we'd change nigger creek's name back to nigger creek (i don't remember what it got changed to)