isnt it like several hundred pages?

holy fuck it's 450 pages. NOT ESPECIALLY LONG what's wrong with you?

you expect me to ignore all the blogs, thinkers, and generally smarter people than I who will no doubt write a criticism or post about how bad/good the bill is and instead read 450 pages of riders and congressmen to catch the gist of something that I could pick up the newspaper and read about, all on the assumption that all those people are going to display a pro-bailout bias all at once and that my brain can't figure out why giving 700 billion dollars to people when it's an arbitrary figure is a bad idea.

I can't believe you actually read it. also I'm not sure but I don't think anyone in this topic actually linked the text of the bill, so even if you wanted to waste your time and read it, it wasn't in the topic.

HOW CAN YOU BE AN ATHEIST? DID YOU READ THE WHOLE BIBLE?
HOW CAN YOU BELIEVE IN EVOLUTION? DID YOU READ THE ORIGIN OF SPECIES?
HOW CAN YOU NOT BE RACIST? DID YOU READ THE BELL CURVE?

ASE linked to it

I've honestly thought about reading the bible so I've got quotes and literal context as ammo when I get in arguments with people about it but its just TOO FUCKING LONG

The Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008 (aka the BAILOUT BILL) was passed by the senate today.

click here to read this 451-page document

Nobody is advocating reading the entire bill. It's just absolutely idiotic for a person to base their opinion on what the blogosphere or cnn thinks of the bill. Most of these idiots didn't read the bill either and are either regurgitating what they heard from a congressional aide (Who do read the bills, aren't exactly the brightest people in washington and in some cases are 18). You don't have to read an entire bill, nobody is advocating reading 400 pages (Since most is fluff anyway). However it would be a good idea to read the meat of the bill to get a better understanding of what it is about. If you are interested in this I believe you have a fundamental duty to inform yourself with the facts and not with someone else's opinions. And everyone is biased. I'm biased, you're biased, wolf blitzer is biased, bloggers are biased etc.

It's not the fact that people don't feel like reading the bill it's that people are saying "While I'm too lazy to inform myself, I want YOU to inform me".

Nobody is advocating reading the entire bill. It's just absolutely idiotic for a person to base their opinion on what the blogosphere or cnn thinks of the bill. Most of these idiots didn't read the bill either and are either regurgitating what they heard from a congressional aide (Who do read the bills, aren't exactly the brightest people in washington and in some cases are 18). You don't have to read an entire bill, nobody is advocating reading 400 pages (Since most is fluff anyway). However it would be a good idea to read the meat of the bill to get a better understanding of what it is about. If you are interested in this I believe you have a fundamental duty to inform yourself with the facts and not with someone else's opinions. And everyone is biased. I'm biased, you're biased, wolf blitzer is biased, bloggers are biased etc.

It's not the fact that people don't feel like reading the bill it's that people are saying "While I'm too lazy to inform myself, I want YOU to inform me".

don't know maybe read the bill yourself and make up your own mind about it? Everyone who has actually took the time to read the bill themselves here is a filthy socialist like myself so you might want to I don't know, read it and think about what it means and make a decision for yourself??????

yep not advocating reading the whole bill here just implying you're stupid if you don't.

also I'm never gonna read this stupid bill but I bet I know just about as much about its implications as you do because that's what's more important, not the political jargon that chokes bills.

you're being ridiculous asking people to read 450 pages of a bill when all they want or need is the gist of it in order to form an opinion.

-all right so evolution is the idea that over time species develop traits by natural selection, where usually the strongest or most adapted species survives over the other.
-well that makes a lot of sense, got an example?
-different species of birds develop longer or shorter beaks depending on what they need them for.
-okay thanks makes sense to me.

and before you nitpick the example to death think about it because I sincerely doubt everyone on gw has read the origin of species but i bet they know evolution is pretty much a fact.

my autobiography of miles davis that I'm a quarter through is fucking huge and is still less pages than this bill. people do not need to waste their time reading a bill if someone they think they can trust or filter (gw people know diet coke or myself will take a left leaning stance by now) can sum it up better.

Hey truth, have you read Das Kapital? How could you be a socialist without doing so?

I FOUND IT! I FOUND THE MEAT OF THE BILL! GOOD THING IT WAS CLEARLY LABELED SO I THE LAYPERSON WITH NOT MUCH INTEREST IN POLITICS COULD FIGURE IT OUT.

THANK GOD BILLS COME WITH WIKIPEDIA ARTICLES IN THEM.

Talk:Bailout Bill

Renaming bill
bailout bill...do we want to call it that? people might think there's someone named bill we're bailing out. it's a little cryptic. BobamaMan2008 (talk) 07:50, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
  For that matter, why do we have the dates all backwards, it goes month, then date. Welcome to America, gooks. POWMickeyCain (talk) 08:02, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
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Kill the blacks
nt DrGoldfingerPaul (talk) 01:50, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Hey truth, have you read Das Kapital? How could you be a socialist without doing so?

I've read parts of it but i'm currently working on the whole thing. Also this is a pretty terrible example as das kapital isn't about socialism marxism or communism at all but about how terrible capitalism is.

You're also missing the point. Nobody is saying that someone should just download the pdf of the entire bill and read the whole thing, did i ever say to read the whole thing? There are tons of resources out there that have printed up the portions of the bill that talk about accountability and such, the entire reason i posted that is because I have been asked about 10 times this week to "explain what the bailout is all about" to people who have the exact same resources available to them to look into it as me. People are not asking "What did it say about the capital gains tax", do you think I would be mad if that was the case? They are asking "sum it up for me i don't want to read anything myself". Doesn't this seem categorically lazy to you?

uhh...yes.

I'm not inferring that one should read the entire bill, if that is what you all inferred then i'm sorry but it's not what i meant.

but that's exactly what you said



what else did you mean by "IT'S NOT ESPECIALLY LONG OR VERBOSE", what could that possibly mean besides "you should read the whole thing because it's not long or verbose"?????

Hahaha truth probably didn't even read it and didn't know it was 450 pages long when he wrote that?

why is it considered okay to just regurgitate what others tell you?

quotin this for emphasis.

comin from a guy whose political opinions basically mirror that of what's popular on the internet at any given time makes that quote even better truth thank you

haha truth you are just being so full of it here. "it's not especially long and verbose you idiots!!! what?! no don't read it all it's 450 pages!!!! ridiculous...."

i think it's time you stood up and said like "sorry, i was kind of a hypocritical and condescending ass there guys. i'll try to be less that way from now on - for my sake more than anything to be honest, because then people might take what i say more seriously."

and then i'll say "it's cool, guy. it's aaallll cool." and so will some of the others and it will be very nice

DOW JONES INDUSTRIAL AVERAGE DIPS BELOW 10,000

http://money.cnn.com/data/markets/dow/

If the DJIA continues to drop at this rate for the rest of the day, it would drop by over 30% in a single day.

look at dat bailout go!

okay I'm being facetious but still lmao.

look at dat bailout go!

okay I'm being facetious but still lmao.

Dude this is SUPER BAD.

oh my god no