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yah the crashing of one of the world's largest economies doesn't affect the rest of the first world at all.
I never said it wouldn't, I asked if it would significantly, meaning enough to cause turmoil in other markets.

But then I remembered, you're STEEL. So you are forgiven.

If I recall, Barclay's and some other UK businesses are already lending a hand in this lame bail out.
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I was replying to everyone saying I M IN EUROPE or IM LEAVING because believe it or not other than celebrating while rome burns ignores all old people who are suddenly without retirement, there's a good chance your economy will be impacted by this.
Source of this?

its a dadchat.
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Do you have any idea how the UK might be effected? I've been trying to follow this but to be honest i know more about politics then econmics and i only know a little bit more then an average person in the UK (as in only a little bit more then not much) about politics (so i have been told).
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If the US falls, everyone else is pretty much fucked. Like Steel said, I know a lot of people like to go THANK GOD IM NOT A YANK or IT SURE FEELS GOOD OVER HERE IN ENGLAND but your asses are on the line here too, sorry to say!
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i walk into my office while they're discussing some sort of 600 billion dollar bail out plan (or some ridiculous number like that) and i shout "we have soldiers in iraq riding around in plywood armored jeeps and congress wants to give more money to rich people FFFFFFFFFFFFFFF" and i scared this one chick who bounced up and knocked my computer over.

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my parents are still confused about why no-one is buying their house.

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But won't this collapse have some signifcant effect on other countries if it complete falls through??
Of course it will.  Especially countries like the Netherlands, where I live, where we do lots of business with you guys.  We'll be affected for sure.  But the economy is actually doing pretty well here right now, so I'm confident that whatever happens in the U.S. will at least not cause me to go back to eating onions everyday.
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to add insult to injury it looks as if there will be a conservative majority government here after the elections are over.

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it's a global economy man
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I have such a grown up problem...

I lost my job due to the economy. I have a job where I process human placentas for their amnion, and our contracts have been cancelled because of the economic crisis.
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I'm kind of lucky because, being a programmer, our company helps other companies consolidate, streamline and automate. We help companies save money and time, which means that even in hard economic times we will still have jobs. Not indefinitely, but we are "shielded" a little from stuff like this, because our services only get more useful when economic times are tough.
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I'd like to know a little more about how this works.

1.) Where is the evidence that points towards a "2nd great depression" if we don't bail out these companies?
2.) Is this $700 billion dollar bailout plan necessary for the average American?
3.) I understand that banks have been making stupid loans to people in terms of housing. How and why is the housing market affected if we decide not to use this bail out plan?
4.) How is the stock market related to this, and does it have any connection to the $700 billion dollar bailout plan?
5.) The money that was used to bail out Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac -- will that be reflected in the bailout plan?
6.) Why shouldn't we let stupid companies' stupid decisions take their toll? Wouldn't small businesses pick up where the bigger ones left off and continue to grow because they won't make the same stupid decisions?

I've read through the 'dadchat' but it's not very satisfying in terms of proof. Do any of you recommend an economic layman's site (don't care if it's a blog as long as it has decent evidence) that I can read and look up on this further?
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So, as a Canadian, should I pay off my credit card, take out all the money from my bank account and then stuff it under my mattress until this all blows over?
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one of the worst things to do is take your money out of the bank (well maybe not in canada but in america) if no one takes their money out the banks will survive longer.
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if no one takes their money out the banks will survive longer.
Well, that's sort of the thing.  People will rush to the banks if the possibility of them collapsing is hinted at.  Besides, you're absolutely right when you say that withdrawing all one's money is the worst thing to do for the group, it's actually the only thing you can do if you're an individual.  That's what drives herd behavior in the first place.

If it's gonna happen, it's gonna happen, and you'd better make sure you withdraw your money when it does!

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IMO its a good idea if you've got a steady job and plan on KEEPING the place until this all rolls over
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one of the worst things to do is take your money out of the bank (well maybe not in canada but in america) if no one takes their money out the banks will survive longer.

That's actually one of the main reasons Washington Mutual collapsed.  In the last two weeks there was a ton of people closing their accounts with them to the tune of 16.9 billion dollars. 

Also, the term bailout is being slightly misused here.  The plan that's being floated around Congress is more of a buyout than a bailout.  The plan will allow the Treasury department to buy most of the assets of companies like AIG, Lehman Bros, etc.  The reason they're doing this is because those companies are huge parts of the American economy, so keeping them afloat is pretty necessary for our economic well being at this time.  Another reason is that we may actually make back the $700 billion plus some extra if done right.
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If UK economy collapses should I be growing my own potatoes etc?  :fogetsmile:
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one of the worst things to do is take your money out of the bank (well maybe not in canada but in america) if no one takes their money out the banks will survive longer.
I'm pretty sure I learned in school that in Norway, during times of economic crisis, transactions are heavily restricted so that people won't take out all their money, allowing banks to survive. Guess that's one of the positive sides of living in a social country??

Also Norway is pretty stable economically. I've read some shit that the stock market had a bit of rumble, but otherwise things are going good. Glad I'm not American! And sure as hell I'm glad I'm taking education. Just imagining what young uneducated families are going through, bet a lot of those guys are losing their jobs atm.