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From 2000 until just recently almost every aspect of the government has been under Republican influence.  Just in case you missed 8th grade gov I'll break this down a bit for you.  Since the year 2000 we've had a Republican administration in the White House (executive branch), a Republican majority in the Supreme Court (judicial branch), and a Republican majority in Congress (legislative branch).  Maybe the constraints applied to your perception of government still allow the fundamental concept of checks and balances to maintain its integrity under such a scenario, but the unvarnished truth is that the United States of America has been marching to the tune of that grand, sweaty elephant for the majority of this DECADE. 
Explanation laced with more troll.  :rolleyes: I don't think I had a government class in middle school... but I had one in the second high school I went to (I moved) had almost all republican and conservative teachers. Anyway yeah in that class I didn't do much... and I was half asleep most of the time in that class or maybe I just forgot most of what I learned. Though it been to long so I could be wrong my memory is kind of fuzzy. Anyway yeah, I basically get that we have been under mostly republican control for a long time but that does not 100 percent guarantee that this whole thing has been their fault. One could definitely say that this would suggest this to a degree that it doesn't matter, but that tiny bit of doubt throws me off joining any side in a argument. I've always stayed in the middle of political arguments. In fact, I hate arguing politics. because every time I see people argue politics neither side backs down and it always just turns into a screeching contest of I'M RIGHT YOU ARE WRONG (and oh they wont just STFU and I hear them from all the way upstairs GAHH) and then it would devolve into insults.

I usually like a nice calm intelligent discussion, and since I usually don't have any stance on a subject other then maybe censorship, I usually play devil's advocate (like in this case). Like even with my dad who is a republican (especially when it comes to economic stuff) I take the opposing stance with him, and usually lose (in his eyes at least), just like I'm 'losing' here. and you know what? I'm OK with 'losing' a argument/discussion, I view a argument as something that merely gain information from. What I don't like is dealing with someone that just assumes that I'm a idiot because I took a opposing side.

And maybe once again you're just not informed on this topic, but our government is not constructed in such a way that legislation can be passed by one body but not scrutinized, amended, and oh fuck even repealed!! by another.  Every fundamental freedom, every law, every tax code etc. etc. is subject to change in new and erotic ways BY whoever happens to be in power at the time or WITH enough support from members of congress and their respective constituents (i.e. you and I). 
I know. but this bill did in fact get passed (unless my source was outright lying to me, which is possible, I was talking to someone one one of my old friend lists).

But yes, warpped, I fully agree:  politics is a dangerous, volatile endeavor that one shouldn't consider discussing in a public forum without...I dunno, possessing a BACKBONE first.  I'm sorry my two posts apparently obliterated your thirst for knowledge in the political arena, but then again arguments between two people wearing their big-boy pants generally don't result in one member weeping gently while staring up at the stars, alone and cold.  My advice?  Don't take everything so seriously and do a bit of personal research concerning how these things work before unceremoniously regurgitating some senseless idea that probably originated within the dark recesses of Bill O' Reilly's puckered anus. 
When you use the word BACKBONE, do you really mean endurance for politics? because I assure you I'm not a invertebrate when it comes to politics. I'm just exhausted by it.

Why is it bad to take things so seriously? Politics deal with important issues am I right? Not that I need your advice, or anyone else's advice.

Politics to me has been nothing more then 2 factions of fanatics (with a few smaller ones being ignored), people that believe their side is correct no matter what. neither side seems to show a openness to communicate. They might all just have a agenda. They bash each other. Blame each other. Nothing is for certain, and it is fucking frustrating. and it leaves me here in the middle, baffled why anyone would want to participate.

BTW I've never played Chrono Trigger.
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someone catch me up what the hell is going on with this shit i stopped reading the news three years ago on account of too angry


edit: nevermind you're too late i fucking hate things
Last Edit: October 09, 2008, 06:48:14 am by Hundley
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by "backbone" he means stop being a little bitch and learn how to read. It doesn't matter where you're from, who your parents are, or what you learned in school if you want to educate yourself on politics and things that are going on in the world then pay attention to some of the stuff that people say on this forum, watch the news, and try to read between the lines on everything.

You're complaining is incredibly irritating and yes it was partly Clinton's fault, LIKE BLED SAID. But the majority of the blame goes on the stupid shits in office that didn't do anything.

And yes you can win a political argument it is not impossible arguing about politics is healthy and it helps you learn.

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Last Edit: October 09, 2008, 07:43:11 am by Coxswain
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by "backbone" he means stop being a little bitch and learn how to read. It doesn't matter where you're from, who your parents are, or what you learned in school if you want to educate yourself on politics and things that are going on in the world then pay attention to some of the stuff that people say on this forum, watch the news, and try to read between the lines on everything.

You're complaining is incredibly irritating and yes it was partly Clinton's fault, LIKE BLED SAID. But the majority of the blame goes on the stupid shits in office that didn't do anything.

And yes you can win a political argument it is not impossible arguing about politics is healthy and it helps you learn.

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I knew what he actually meant by backbone...
I know how to read, I just don't know what is trustworthy.

If i am really that irritating I'm honestly sorry.

Never thought it was impossible. I just usually give up... or lose.

I knew I over used the word "troll"...

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So Alastair Darling (British chancellor for those who don't know) bailed out the British banks yesterday to the tune of some £250 billion (~$425b) with a further £250b taxpayer money theoretically at risk if the package doesn't work and some banks collapse. Feels like every country is taking turns trying to fix their economy, when this bail out falls on its arse as well I wonder who will try next!

Also I'm pretty sure people should be pretty angry about paying out of their wallet to save some greedy tools who brought the roof down on their own heads, however the fear of OH GOD NOT A RECESSION sort of neuters it. Its quite possible that if the economy does manage to stabilise and the threat of recession/depression lifts people will start screaming for some of these sub-prime cowboy lender's heads to roll...


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Quote from: abcnews
Less than a week after the federal government committed $85 billion to bail out AIG, executives of the giant AIG insurance company headed for a week-long retreat at a luxury resort and spa, the St. Regis Resort in Monarch Beach, California, Congressional investigators revealed today.

"Rooms at this resort can cost over $1,000 a night," Congressman Henry Waxman (D-CA) said this morning as his committee continued its investigation of Wall Street and its CEOs.

AIG documents obtained by Waxman's investigators show the company paid more than $440,000 for the retreat, including nearly $200,000 for rooms, $150,000 for meals and $23,000 in spa charges.

"They're getting their pedicures and their manicures and the American people are paying for that," said Cong. Elijah Cummings (D-MD).

"This unbridled greed," said Cong. Mark Souder (R-IN), "it's an insensitivity to how people are spending our dollars."

Appearing before the committee, Martin Sullivan, the AIG CEO until June, said the company was overwhelmed by a "financial global tsunami," and that "no simple or single cause" was to blame.

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/Story?id=5973452&page=1


Well, I guess borrowing ridiculous amounts of money because you're an incompetent piece of shit can be tiring work!
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Quote from: Martin Sullivan AIG CEO
It is a blatant fact that the United States economy is in dire crisis and we are the cause of this atrocity on the American people. I'm sure you are all wondering why my peers and I decided to go to a Californian spa and a ridiculously expensive one at that. Merely days after getting bailed out by the US government and your taxpayer dollars.

The truth is... I broke a nail counting out the ridiculous amounts of phat dough the US government forked over to bail my multi-billion dollar company out of debt and leering bankruptcy.

Thats right motherfuckers, welcome to the game and I am the motherfucking dungeon-master.

CHECK-MATE

*Flashes 24-carrot diamond-studded cockring

Have fun with that EVER INCREASING DEFICIT you stupid pricks!
Last Edit: October 09, 2008, 10:39:37 am by Coxswain
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http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/Story?id=5973452&page=1


Well, I guess borrowing ridiculous amounts of money because you're an incompetent piece of shit can be tiring work!

Well holy fuck if thats not enough reason for more regulation I don't know what is. Everything thats wrong with capitalism summed up in one handy package right there!

I'm not even a socialist or anything but I can see the left getting a huge kick out of this (in fact its already starting I'm seeing socialist posters like WHY SHOULD WE PAY FOR THEIR CRISIS and honestly its a question everyone should take home with them)


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Well holy fuck if thats not enough reason for more regulation I don't know what is. Everything thats wrong with capitalism summed up in one handy package right there!

I'm not even a socialist or anything but I can see the left getting a huge kick out of this (in fact its already starting I'm seeing socialist posters like WHY SHOULD WE PAY FOR THEIR CRISIS and honestly its a question everyone should take home with them)

You're right we're having blast with all this. Turnout has tripled at the socialist organizing/education events I go to and promote

A lot of young people and a surprising amount of older folks are becoming really interested in socialism and communism
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I think Canada had it right with having a balance between the two (but now it's being turned into another democracy now... wonderful). But if I had to pick either if my life depended on it i'd choose communism. Who knows I might like the guy in charge.
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fuck that communism can't work, you don't like how its going now? Imagine giving those top marginal bastards the power to set the bar as low as they want without repercussion.

A LITTLE bit of socialism and a lot more regulation on really important things ie healthcare, economy, and fuel (for now) is good but too much power will come back to bite us in the ass.
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Too little power is bad too, need I remind you of the great depression? Well it didn't ever rise until the Government actually did something about it like actually putting regulations and limits within the economy.
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fuck that communism can't work, you don't like how its going now? Imagine giving those top marginal bastards the power to set the bar as low as they want without repercussion.


Well socialism kinda entails a complete reconstruction of the economy and political system through active participation of the working class to serve the interests of the working class, not just arbitrarily giving power to people without any accountability. Try attending a socialist discussion or lecture event and you may find something you like in all of it and learn a thing or two about what its all about. As marxist economics are further vindicated and working people are further alienated from the current system, were gonna see a huge resurgance of the socialist movement. Its happened before and will happen again.
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It's really easy to be a communist when you're rich
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I'll not TAKE ANYTHING you write like this seriously because it looks dumb
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It's really easy to be a communist when you're rich

Its easy to be anything when you're rich

I became an active red while I was dirt poor living in shitty apartments working shit jobs to put myself through a shitty community college. Something about the dehumanization of poverty really brings it out in a guy
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um stupid how can it happen again ifffffff we're socialist.

way to admit defeat pal...way to do...just...that.

ironically while typing this my mom played the answering machine and we recieved a call from the McCain campaign, but it recited during the message and so when it played, started with "and paying taxes is PATRIOTIC?"
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Well socialism kinda entails a complete reconstruction of the economy and political system through active participation of the working class to serve the interests of the working class, not just arbitrarily giving power to people without any accountability. Try attending a socialist discussion or lecture event and you may find something you like in all of it and learn a thing or two about what its all about. As marxist economics are further vindicated and working people are further alienated from the current system, were gonna see a huge resurgance of the socialist movement. Its happened before and will happen again.

I would so go to one but I can pretty much guarantee you that there isn't one within a hundred miles of  this place I'd sooner find some neo nazi organization. Maybe a college group or something but unfortunately I don't know any college students.
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I would so go to one but I can pretty much guarantee you that there isn't one within a hundred miles of  this place I'd sooner find some neo nazi organization. Maybe a college group or something but unfortunately I don't know any college students.

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I also think the freedom road socialist organization is active around there too.
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Alright man, thanks. I'll check into it if I ever get the opportunity to go (work soon) and someone else thats interested.
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