Hmmm Sex with people in Relationships/Engagements. (Read 2039 times)

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Ah boy. Sex advice from GW of all places.

If you feel fine about that then whatever, but I think life is more productive when you take active control over those impulses. Not just sexuality, but other things in general, like getting unreasonably pissed off and drinking too much. Doing the 'right thing' tends to be less troublesome (huh who'da thought), and I think you'd feel better about yourself afterwards. I think that if you decided not to screw around with her, you'd be a little more grateful to yourself...at least you wouldn't have made this topic. Thanks to you, now GW's going to explode.

How is she? Do you think she'll rat you out? Why aren't you worrying about stuff like that.

And seriously, what if she gets pregnant.
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i had sex with a girl who had a fiancee while i was at the beach. i totally didn't care though, her fiancee was some representative for the hotel chain we were staying at and was like 20 years older than she was. plus she was the one who approached me.

she was puerto rican and fine as hell, too. she also claimed to be a nymphomaniac but idk if she actually was or if she was just using that as an excuse to cheat on her fiancee.
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maxims like the golden rule don't make morals absolute because Jimbo Jobs might have the silver rule: cash rules everything around me, C.R.E.A.M get the money, dollar dollar bill yall

But if one holds that there is a maxim that one can judge the morality of an action by (like the golden rule or the more self serving raking in of benjamins) it upholds the idea that morality can be judged conclusively. If morality can be judged, then there must be applicable judgements (right or wrong) to apply to it. Therefore the idea that there is no right or wrong is negated if one as a moral agent believes that a maxim can determine right from wrong.

but like I said it depends on your philosophy also i don't want to keep this up all night so yawn ttyl
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Ah boy. Sex advice from GW of all places.

If you feel fine about that then whatever, but I think life is more productive when you take active control over those impulses. Not just sexuality, but other things in general, like getting unreasonably pissed off and drinking too much. Doing the 'right thing' tends to be less troublesome (huh who'da thought), and I think you'd feel better about yourself afterwards. I think that if you decided not to screw around with her, you'd be a little more grateful to yourself...at least you wouldn't have made this topic. Thanks to you, now GW's going to explode.

How is she? Do you think she'll rat you out? Why aren't you worrying about stuff like that.

And seriously, what if she gets pregnant.


Well

1) we talked about it after the first cuddle and she said if it could be kept secret from him and a handful of friends then shes ok
2) Ratting me out, will only end in a dissolve of there engagement most likely
3) Protection, and shes on the pill.


Also to Juris, This is one of few communities I'm active in that doesn't have a population (or like one a full population) of people from where I live. I strangely have a trust for a few people here and I thought it would be a good debate. There's always a "other man/woman" topic in other communities so yeah.
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steel you have a golden opportunity to be having "i have cancer my dying wish is to fuck you" sex WHY DONT YOU TAKE IT
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fuck yeah super sneaky scout op sneakin' around in your girl's vag bag. shoop shoop.


I do not see any way that this is not a completely horrible thing to do. Have fun rationalising it.
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But if one holds that there is a maxim that one can judge the morality of an action by (like the golden rule or the more self serving raking in of benjamins) it upholds the idea that morality can be judged conclusively. If morality can be judged, then there must be applicable judgements (right or wrong) to apply to it. Therefore the idea that there is no right or wrong is negated if one as a moral agent believes that a maxim can determine right from wrong.

but like I said it depends on your philosophy also i don't want to keep this up all night so yawn ttyl

I agree with what you've been saying. It makes me tihnk a bit of (was it Kant? I can't remember). The idea that if you are all right with the entire population doing your action to you, then you should feel okay with what you're doing. Ie: If you are all right with the entire population sleeping with your fiance, then by all means...


To people who are saying that she's a slut and to people who are saying that he was wrong...we can't really make an objective statement another way unless we were there. I mean...on the one hand:

There's a girl whose made a commitment to a man who is now very far away and has been for a long time. She's obviously feeling very lonley and uncertain right now, and is in a very vulnerable state. If a good friend makes a move on her in this case then the friend is just as to blame.

Alternatively, she is supposed to be committed to this man and if she cannot resist temptation even before tying the knot, is she really in a place to marry this guy?

Then again, we might also look at the fact that we're all human, and people make mistakes and learn from them. One mistake doesn't mean you're eternally damned. If she cheats this once before she gets married, feels guilty and never does it again, is it as bad as if she does it, likes it and continues doing it behind his back?
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Alternatively, she is supposed to be committed to this man and if she cannot resist temptation even before tying the knot, is she really in a place to marry this guy?


Yes think about it, if she really cared about engagement relationships etc she wouldn't have done it so no reason to feel guilty at all. It would happen anyway with other person(s).
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 all girls are sluts, so it's okay to feel absolutely no emotion. you can't complain when it happens to you though, brah.
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all girls are sluts, so it's okay to feel absolutely no emotion. you can't complain when it happens to you though, brah.

That's not a fair statement at all. I've never cheated on anyone, and I always keep to my boyfriend (of which I've only had two). There are plenty of girls who are exactly the same way, including one of my friends whose been with the same guy since she was 14, goes to a different university and has never cheated on him. Compare that to my sisters whose every boyfriend they've had (excluding one for my second oldest sister that she's now going to marry) has cheated on them.

We all have different experiences but it's not fair either way to say that all girls are sluts or all boys are manwhores.
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But if one holds that there is a maxim that one can judge the morality of an action by (like the golden rule or the more self serving raking in of benjamins) it upholds the idea that morality can be judged conclusively. If morality can be judged, then there must be applicable judgements (right or wrong) to apply to it. Therefore the idea that there is no right or wrong is negated if one as a moral agent believes that a maxim can determine right from wrong.

but like I said it depends on your philosophy also i don't want to keep this up all night so yawn ttyl

there's absolute morality because people can make judgements on relative morals.
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jesus christ someone took tft at face value.

this topic is like a rollercoaster of weird shit.
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TLDR

Also THAT WAS A JOKE

you should answer with: shut up asshole

and everyone will understand don't type so much my fucking eyes hurt
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TLDR

Also THAT WAS A JOKE

you should answer with: shut up asshole

and everyone will understand don't type so much my fucking eyes hurt

shut up asshole :P


And no I didn't take him seriously. But there ARE people out there who have that opinion so I thought I'd comment anyway. And honestly 5 lines is tldr? There are lots of posts in this thread about the same length.
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Then again, we might also look at the fact that we're all human, and people make mistakes and learn from them. One mistake doesn't mean you're eternally damned. If she cheats this once before she gets married, feels guilty and never does it again, is it as bad as if she does it, likes it and continues doing it behind his back?

I wouldn't marry the girl in either scenario.
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So, were you interested in a serious relationship or just sex?

You probably should have kept your pants on either way.
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I can't believe how many people are trying to justify this.

I agree with majority of what Steel has said so far in this topic.

This was a really shitty thing to do. If you really don't feel any kind of remorse, then fuck, -1 on my hope for humanity.
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It happens all the time unfortunately, and when you think about it, when a person is gone for like a year you can't help but meet new people and things happen. I'm not trying to justify it because I don't think it was the right thing at all to do, but sadly it does happen. I wouldn't call her a slut, but I think if she really was sure about this guy, she would not have slept with you.
I know it probably doesn't sound like a good idea, but if I had my conscience in a knot, I would have atleast liked for him to hear it from me or her, before anyone else. If there is a 0% chance of him not finding out, you should pretty much try to keep it quiet.
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I'd normally totally disagree with this but he's been away for a year, she'd be lonely, she obviously digs you a bit and if it just happened you wouldn't really be thinking of the repercussions while it was happening. I can't get up on a high horse here because I'd probably have done the same thing myself.

I've had sex with a girl in a relationship and I'm not really proud of it but I can understand that sometimes it just happens. It's not a good thing and not something you should ever try to do but there are situations where it happens and you don't have time to properly consider it and that's that.

I really don't like cheating and I'd never do it to a girl I was dating, but I understand your situation and although it was a SHITTY THING I think you should just come to terms with the fact that it happened and leave it at that. I probably wouldn't do it again unless she was really unhappy with the relationship, and in that case she should break it off before you continue.