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Sorry, the title was misleading, I'm actually a History and Politics student. I'm now three weeks into the first year and three days past the deadline for changing modules/course, so when I realised that I really didn't want to be doing Politics as a degree subject anymore.  :sweat:​  Looking at the options, Japanese seems the best for me, if they'll even accept me - though they say no prior knowledge is fine, I have already missed out on three weeks' work - but obviously I can work my arse off to catch up. I'd been meaning to learn it for a while, before I just realised that I was doing History and Politics and going to pay for separate Japanese lessons, but only really wanted to study History and Japanese and this could actually be very simply resolved by just cutting Politics out. But, yes, though I think if I put in enough work I should be alright, there is always the chance that I'll actually be totally shit... whereas I could actually be alright on Politics.


Japanese would actually be practical, though, and being a language and all should be a well-looked-upon degree... except it's 'Japanese Studies', and what with the rumours of everything ending with 'Studies' (UK system btw) being worthless, like Media Studies (our equivalent of Communications, from what Steel's [fantastic] article said, everyone does it for a job in telly and it's worth fuck all), this is... slightly worrying...  and I pretty much have to choose fairly soon, as time is of the essence, the deadline having already passed and so forth (not a firm deadline by the sounds of it, if I get a move on).


Sorry for talking so long about myself, but I just wanted to put this in some kind of context... would you really stick with a fairly safe bet you disliked (ugh some of the people that Politics appeals to as well, they're just the worst), or, not to go all 'follow your heart', but go with something that may or may not be as sound, but that at least you really wanted to do? And let you play import games?

I don't want to waste all the time and money of university on something I don't enjoy, but I also don't want to waste it on something which may not be worth as much, or that I may not be able to achieve as highly on... but I'm having a really tough time.  :shrug: I guess I'd just like to hear some people's opinions, heh.
Last Edit: October 22, 2008, 12:46:12 pm by Eike
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okay if it's like the US, and this is your first year, you can switch in your second and most of the classes you're taking now would fill another requirement in the new degree. I'd check this but yeah.

poli sci isn't any better than getting a foreign language degree dogg. it's not much of a safer bet. however I would also not switch to japanese language without considering a bit about career options and study abroad programs and shit like that.

I've always gone with Follow Your Heart....
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meh if you get the right foreign language degree you're set. Critical languages such as Turkish, Russian and Farsi are going to get you jobs. There isnt much more to it than that. If you can speak a language that a government agency or a corporation needs you dont really need much other qualification. can you speak it? good you got a job nigro
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meh if you get the right foreign language degree you're set. Critical languages such as Turkish, Russian and Farsi are going to get you jobs. There isnt much more to it than that. If you can speak a language that a government agency or a corporation needs you dont really need much other qualification. can you speak it? good you got a job nigro

this. from what i've heard if you study Farsi, or any of the middle eastern languages you've pretty much got a job waiting for you at a government institution of your choosing.
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oh btw I will be graduating with a minor in all three of those languages and I'm thinking about actually maybe doing a PSP to get a major in Farsi lol. Ohio State also offers Uzbek so I am really thinking about taking that as well, if not just through the 104 level to be somewhat familiar with it.
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wait, so you're saying that just as long as i know russian (i do) i can just get a job with no qualifications whatsoever? really? hypothetically if i were to do this, how would i go about it?
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yeah just try to get a job with the government/military/an oil company/a cellphone company

they desperately need people who can speak russian, because the government stopped training russian language/cultural specialists after 1991 so there is like hardly anyone coming up out of college who can speak russian.

obviously it would help to have another degree or specialization as well as some job experience in your preferred field but yeah if you've got critical language skills jobs will not be an issue
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You could also try doing a course that pertains going to Japan.  Here in Rotterdam I read about a Trade Management education where you travel to Japan for the third and fourth year.  So not only will you learn the language really well (by not just sitting in a classroom and reciting things, but actually going out and talking to people), you'll also learn a range of (hopefully) useful skills.

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Here there are a lot of study abroad programs in the summer (I am assuming there are some that you can do from the UK too) where you take a language class while learning about the culture and stuff too.  Just start looking around for this kind of thing.  But seriously, don't major in this until you have done something like this.  Take some classes if you want, but don't invest all your time into this without doing a study abroad or something.
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Here there are a lot of study abroad programs in the summer (I am assuming there are some that you can do from the UK too) where you take a language class while learning about the culture and stuff too.  Just start looking around for this kind of thing.  But seriously, don't major in this until you have done something like this.  Take some classes if you want, but don't invest all your time into this without doing a study abroad or something.

this isn't how it works in the uk. you don't get to choose majors or minors, you just choose a course and depending on what course it is and what university you might get a lot of module options within the school of study or you might not.
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oh that is weird then!
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Yeah, it's a bit different in the UK. And, this course is 4 years, the third of which is in Japan... it seems like a good course. And to be fair I didn't really intend to specifically go into a job in political or Japanese environments, or as a historian... there's an element of just 'CV item' in there, so I guess I might as well do what I enjoy and want to learn... especially if I can spend another year not having to get a real job on my course. Argh, I have to decide soon though, and I can't do straight History as a degree, because it's full.  :cry:

Well, I'm talking to some people tomorrow, I may actually Follow My HeartTM and try for this Japanese thing... can't look any worse than Politics, not that either are completely awful subjects, really... haha, I just hope they'll take me on, I guess, I have a fair bit of catching up to do.  :sweat:

But yeah, most other languages are out of the question, I'm not sure I'd have the motivation to sustain the study for years... has anyone else here tried to learn Japanese, or even better, studied it? Or, tried to learn a new language from scratch for college/uni?


EDIT: Hah, oh yeah, and I also meant that Politics was kind of a safer bet in that I'm not sure how good I'd be at Japanese... not necessarily referring to their prestige, I guess. But yeah, I think if you put in enough work most things like this should be fine... the question remains of how much work that actually is...  :sweat:

Oh, and...
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Last Edit: October 20, 2008, 10:09:53 pm by Eike
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Urgh, alright, there's been a... development... apparently I can't catch up with three weeks' worth of Japanese ever at all ever, so if I want to I'm going to have to leave and come back in a year.  :crazy: I... I don't wanna leave uni... this Follow Your Heart just got serious... bah. Politics definitely gets dropped, and there's only a slim chance they can take me on on full History. If I want to do something I actually enjoy, I'm... going to have to go home for a year... and that'll be such a boring and depressing year... seeing as I've made friends here already and go out most nights (as opposed to literally once every couple of months at home)... damn it. This is bad. If I have to do this, maybe I'll see if there's any cheap student accommodation here, so that I can still live here, and just get a job stacking shelves or something...
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i was in pretty much the exact same position as you are in a couple of weeks ago, except i wasn't trying to change to japanese. maybe you're panicking a little because you're doing dry ideology stuff in your politics classes, have a look at the rest of your degree and see what you're options are further down the road. i decided to stay, and i'm more or less happy with the course i'm taking right now. the other stuff, the stuff i really want to do with my life, well i don't want to have a programme of study forced on me about that stuff so i'll never study a music course or whatever, but i'm not very serious about that stuff i just like it. i'm not doing university for a job or even for the degree really so it depends what your motivations are.

the choice of staying for a couple of dry modules and going back home for a whole year was not a choice for me. politics and philosophy is probably as general as i could make what i want to study really, which is just read books get smarter for 3 years.

it won't be to do with you being unable to learn 3 weeks of japanese. they might not let you transfer out of the school after term starts, or you might not have the appropriate grades. there are a whole bunch of reasons they throw at you which i think are all bullshit but it's less to do with your learning and more to do with it being a pain in the ass for them administrativiely or not meeting up to whatever standards they believe they've got to live up to. it isn't about you, which is probably more frustrating than a comfort.
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Yeah... this is really helpful, it does seem like a good choice to just man up and actually do the course I signed up for... I'm sure I could make it work.

But then, I plan to learn Japanese on the side anyway, and possibly pay for private lessons. I'll just always have this thought in the back of my mind that it would have been better if I'd done the one I was interested in... argh I just don't want to look back on my choice as a huge mistake and either go "I wish I'd done the one I really wanted to do", or "Why did I ditch the safe Politics for Japanese?! I'm crap at it"...  :sweat:

Alright, this is the probably the last update short of the actual decision, just to see what people think of my only real choices, assuming they won't let me on to straight history this year... my choices are:
  • Go home for a year, get a job and have no friends at home and have lost my friends at uni, short of MSN, which really isn't as good as being there. At all. I've already settled into uni, and it'll be a depressing year, but at least I'll spend all the hard work side of the course on something I genuinely want to do and am interested in...
  • Hope Politics gets better, and stay with the course. I get to keep my friends and the lifestyle that I enjoy, the whole experience being a major part of the 'university/degree' thing. I don't have to spend a shit year at home, but there's a good chance the course will not be what I would have liked to study.

Heh, I doubt these reiterated arguments will sway real_jamicus' opinion, which has been duly noted, but I'd just like to see what anyone else thinks... course you enjoy with a horrible year before and with perhaps nowhere near as good friends as I've made? (seriously, they have all my exact interests and everything, and I really don't want to be a year behind them. I know I'll make new friends, but... I don't wanna.) :cry:​, or lifestyle you enjoy, but with a degree that there's a pretty high chance will be unenjoyable?

EDIT: And these are actually the two only real options, seeing as I've just found out that no, I can't come into straight history...
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