I went ahead and watched a FILM CLASSIC, Chinatown. It's interesting how well this movie's aged, although a scene where Nicholson slaps a woman actually had more impact on me just because while it's not casual or anything, it's definitely more shocking for us now.

What I found interesting was my mother's reaction at the end of the film. Those of you who don't like spoilers (to be fair, with one of the most famous ending lines in film you probably know at least the tone of it) should avoid the rest of this post but Chinatown has a bleak fucking ending. No one good wins; the pedophile gets to rape his daughter, make millions, the decent people die, the rich get richer, and we're told "forget about it, it's Chinatown". It's not a coincidence that the movie ends with all those foreign faces surrounding the dead woman, immigrants and strangers. It reminded me of the Great Silence, another movie that ends "unfairly" and of Lord of the Flies, every single copy of which seems to include the same essay at the end that ends the same way: "who will save the soldier?"

The reason I bring this up was my mom's instant reaction was "What kind of ending was that?" In Bollywood, there is a strong escapist tendency. You can have a melancholy ending, but someone must escape or win. Movies like The Great Silence and Chinatown though, deliberately show us that no, we don't win, sometimes even slightly. Chinatown beats Gittes over and over.

And I told this to her, and her opinion shifted. Now she likes the movie.

The roundabout point being my mom figured out in one sentence and a few seconds what Grindie is still trying to snidely imply with a bunch of HEH I WATCHED A MOVIE SO FUCKING STUPID I DIDN'T NEED TO THINK ARE YOU JEALOUS posts so man you're a stupid piece of shit Grindie no one cares that you watched Commando 2 and have a false sense of pride about it because you literally can't figure out movies don't have to conform to a standard of bullshit and I really hope you realize that you can constantly drop "ya don't need ot think to figure it out" and this will hopefully be the last time anyone takes the bait because I really just wanted to talk more about how bleak Chinatown was but then remembered how dumb you are.

yes. Cap'n Jack gets knifed on the face by Roman Polanski.

drunk post btw. no validity

The roundabout point being my mom figured out in one sentence and a few seconds what Grindie is still trying to snidely imply with a bunch of HEH I WATCHED A MOVIE SO FUCKING STUPID I DIDN'T NEED TO THINK ARE YOU JEALOUS posts so man you're a stupid piece of shit Grindie no one cares that you watched Commando 2 and have a false sense of pride about it because you literally can't figure out movies don't have to conform to a standard of bullshit and I really hope you realize that you can constantly drop "ya don't need ot think to figure it out" and this will hopefully be the last time anyone takes the bait because I really just wanted to talk more about how bleak Chinatown was but then remembered how dumb you are.

Haha! You're class. You can take anything a normal person would say in 2 lines and spread it into a fucking novel! I like your style.

But if you want my opinion (which you obviously do), Commando is a way better film than 2001. 1. Because it's actually a film and 2. Well, point 1. pretty much covered it.

i think it's been fairly well established that there's a difference between a movie and a 'film.' you like movies. moving pictures.
it's the difference between pleasure and bliss.

This conversation made me think about Naked Lunch. I really like it even though I barely understand the half of the stuff going on in it (and all the people I've forced to watch it hate it and hate me after showing it to them). Has anybody figured out the connection between the bugs and the typewriters? Has anybody here even seen it and what do you think of it?! Someone should make a movie-of-the-week topic where we can discuss a weird movie since there's too much talk about it in here.

Just watched Chocolat the other day. I loved it and the fact the Peter Stormare once again gets the role of a villain. There's not a single american flick with him playing other stuff than russians, satan and crazy swedes.. poor guy. And the Peal Django song is awesome and inspired me to play jazzy gypsie music now lol. Meh the whole score in it is actually really sweet. Oh and all the characters are very colorfully portrayed.. it's a bit girlie though, you've been warned.

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And you made me watch Cremaster, I'm gonna keep my thoughts to myself on that one >_>

Haha! You're class. You can take anything a normal person would say in 2 lines and spread it into a fucking novel! I like your style.

But if you want my opinion (which you obviously do), Commando is a way better film than 2001. 1. Because it's actually a film and 2. Well, point 1. pretty much covered it.

so how do you rate the hellraiser movies in comparison to citizen kane this is important

But if you want my opinion (which you obviously do)

man you're a stupid piece of shit Grindie no one cares that you watched Commando 2 and have a false sense of pride about it because you literally can't figure out movies don't have to conform to a standard of bullshit and I really hope you realize that you can constantly drop "ya don't need ot think to figure it out"

grindie, still a stupid piece of shit.
and me still falling for obvious trolls so physician heal thyself.

physician heal thyself is a quote from the most single famous book in existence but it doesn't have esplosion, it's long, there's lots of parts where nothing happens, and the plot kind of doesn't matter so much as the philosophy so i dont think grindie will get the reference

I've just been watching Donkey Punch... I turned it off about 5 minutes after the actual punch. I feel like the director wasn't doing such a bad job with some of the establishing shots are pretty damn nice, especially. But the film falls apart on the acting and dialogue... it's just HORRIBLE. Here's a line from the film "FUN BAGS FI'TER THAN STANDARD" THAT is the level of intelligence in this film that we are dealing with.

still can't get over the tonal shift in chinatown. it goes from this kind of dashiell hammet piece to like INCEST MURDER DEATH in zero fucking seconds.

also I got the Return, some russian movie i've heard is way good. we'll see.

edit: that's definitely not the title, the return is some shitty sarah michelle gellar movie and i know i didnt get that. its downstairs tho so guass im fat.

I just watched Paradise Now and if anyone else has seen it, can they give me some idea of how accurate everything is (in terms of representation of setting ETC)? Because I really enjoyed it and felt in terms of art it was really accomplished, but I don't know if the facts were right (as I know nothing on the matters of suicide bombings)...

This conversation made me think about Naked Lunch. I really like it even though I barely understand the half of the stuff going on in it (and all the people I've forced to watch it hate it and hate me after showing it to them). Has anybody figured out the connection between the bugs and the typewriters? Has anybody here even seen it and what do you think of it?!

Despite owning a two disc edition of this, I haven't watched it in a while. The typewriter bugs were a Cronenberg addition. In his own work, Burroughs usually expresses an aversion to bugs. In one book he goes into explaining a specific type of ammunition that the characters use for killing freakishly oversized centipedes. If I remember correctly, and as I said it has been a while, the typewriter bug thing in the film grew out of times when Cronenberg, clearly an insect aficionado, would be working on something late at night with a typewriter, and bugs would be drawn to the light he was using and land on the paper as he was working.  Cronenberg had a feeling of kinship with the insects, which is probably why it was worked into the film - Lee's character was so isolated, even from reality, that he needed something to act as an anchor.

There is an interview about it...I don't recall if I read it in print or if it was one of the features on the second disc.

Another interesting thing about the movie - in order to get the real W.S.B. effect, I've watched this a couple of times with playback set to shuffle. The return of the cut-up and fold in to the medium of film.

i just watched silent night deadly night 2, it was pretty funny.

End of the Line.
I usually don't watch horror flicks, haven't seen a new one for like 5 years and especially not alone (cause I'm a big pussy lol) so this was somewhat of a personal trial for me. Grabbed a random movie that was supposed to be "woop woop scary" and got this.. I shit my pants 3 times during the first 10 minutes but then it all went downwards. This is probably the most disgusting movie I've ever seen and I can't recommend it to anybody really.. unless you like people hitting religious youngsters with crowbars in subways and blood.. lots of it. Funny thing it's full of religious satire and I didn't have a clue what it was about before I saw it. Guess it fits into the brand new spiritual GW.

Man.. someone recommend me a scary movie that isn't just full of gore >_>


@Killer Wolf: shit, suddenly alot of the stuff makes way more sense then before.

End of the Line.
I usually don't watch horror flicks, haven't seen a new one for like 5 years and especially not alone (cause I'm a big pussy lol) so this was somewhat of a personal trial for me. Grabbed a random movie that was supposed to be "woop woop scary" and got this.. I shit my pants 3 times during the first 10 minutes but then it all went downwards. This is probably the most disgusting movie I've ever seen and I can't recommend it to anybody really.. unless you like people hitting religious youngsters with crowbars in subways and blood.. lots of it. Funny thing it's full of religious satire and I didn't have a clue what it was about before I saw it. Guess it fits into the brand new spiritual GW.

Man.. someone recommend me a scary movie that isn't just full of gore >_>

i have heard that nosferatu is scary. i don't watch scary movies though, they usually are not very good. try psychological horror or horror-of-personality which i just learned the term for just now this moment

I like the gothic horror, personally, over the other sub-genres of horror. My favourite "horror" movie is Bram Stoker's Dracula, just because it is such a mindwarp. Coppola uses the camera, the light, subtle cinematic tricks and a lighter touch of special effects to completely shake your sensibilites while compelling you to continue to watch, and yet its all remarkably cohesive, well performed, and a beautiful and scary vignette of Victorian repression. I have not seen Nosferatu either, but I probalby should put it on my list.

The last movie I watched was Das Boot. If anyone wants to know how vital sound can be to a filmic experience, watch Das Boot. The sound is amazing, the aesthetic is industrial and also surreal, and even though the director's cut weighs in at a haughty three-and-a-half hours, it stays suspenseful. I suggest that anyone interested in steampunk or diesel watch it just for the look of the film, and pay attention to how the men sort of merge with the submarine in different ways.