<geodude> pulp are very good
<geodude> but pulp fiction stinks
<geodude> it is just
<geodude> empty of content
<geodude> it is wall-to-wall superficial 'cool' events
<geodude> it's a goldmine of memes i guess
<geodude> it is the film that best sums up the 90s but not in a good way
<geodude> in which everyone has lots of attitude and little character
<geodude> because they're not people
<geodude> they're expressly film characters

i'm not the only one, am i ??

i'm not the only one, am i ??

no

even when i was younger and rather easily fooled by that kind of thing i thought pulp fiction was unusually empty.

that kinda says something i guess, as i did go through a period where i thought kevin smith had more going for him than merely being the mouthpiece for the inherent vapidity of our generation.

empty?

I was going to say "isn't that purposeful?" but then again I only saw maybe half of it and even that was probably 5 years ago. it is firmly wedged in my mind that all that stuff geodude said is 'the point' but I've probably just been brainwashed by family guy commercials

keep in mind tho memes as we know them didn't exist back when pupl fiction was released, so it's kinda like criticizing ebenezer howard for coming up with the theory used by awful developers to create globalized unidentifiable suburbs

Gotta say, I haven't seen a Tarantino film which I've liked. It's all superficiality and style over substance, and he tries to justify it by claiming to bring back the feel of seventies exploitation films, whilst lacking the sense of irony, humour and directness that those films had. I don't get why people love him so, and then read bullshit into it. Kill Bill isn't feminist, Uma Thurman's character is a male's view of what a strong woman should be (essentially a man with tits) and is nothing more than the cliche vengeance heroine. Reservoir Dogs feels like a ten minute scene stretched out to tedium via soundbytes and violence.

I was going to say "isn't that purposeful?" but then again I only saw maybe half of it and even that was probably 5 years ago. it is firmly wedged in my mind that all that stuff geodude said is 'the point' but I've probably just been brainwashed by family guy commercials

No, that is the point. But it's possible to go the postmodern route without being so smugly masturbatory.

Also it's worth noting that Pulp Fiction is one of those movies that's probably more irritating for how fucking revered it is, and the fact that it was even the slightest bit influential on other films and the industry, than anything it specifically does as a movie. It's stupid, sometimes kinda vaguely funny, but pretty innocuous all things considered. Just empty, its emptiness amplified by how many people manage to superimpose all kinds of fantastic shit onto it that isn't there.

I have been told that this is poor reasoning for disliking a movie, but as I gain roughly zero entertainment from Tarantino, I'm not exactly losing sleep over it.

I have to go into this discussion as I have enjoyed Pulp Fiction and therefore will be defending it. First of all I was freshman college and never heard of QT when I stumbled upon this movie file from a friend's hd.  I decided to randomly watch it after the movie was surprised to find it so good for what it's worth. Just thought to put that out to point I loved the film without knowing that it was some sort of modern 'classic' or something so there's no external bias of my liking it.

Another thing, as I tried to point out something shouldn't be judged based on what others' credit it to. So just calling something out negatively just because of its reverence isn't a very strong argument. That's basically hating just because others is loving it and not hating it of the content itself. Though obviously nothing is completely inseparable from its reputation and effects to the industry.

And about the 'emptiness'. I don't really get what you mean by 'empty'. Is it that it doesn't carry a message or deeper realization? or that amidst the style and all that there isn't really any underlying idk art or theme? I'm not sure about empty but imo the style is enough, it does bring some kind of new 'style' (i'm running out of words) as I've not seen it carried out like that. Also, the whwole thing I agree is too 'fantastical' but I regard that as part of the charm and the dialogue may sometimes be unnatural but like every 'impossibility' in all movies, his works imo purposely made it so as that was his style. And it's not like those conversations were easily dismissable, they were iconic in fact they became memes for good reason and some nice wit and humor sprinkled all over.
The pacing was good, I'm not sure what nonlinearity brought as no 'twist' actually benefited but it just introduced snippets of events to get the 'ah.. so that's what that scene was' effect to make yourself actually bring all those together to a cohrent conclusion. Not the strongest use of nonlinearity but it's still a nice touch.

I've not seen all QT movies. I agree that KB has nothing to do with feminism, I think the main point is the 'story' of her which is revenge coupled with 'anime'like um.. touches (i'm not good with expressing with vocabulary) as there were 4 villains etc etc.. also has elements of comics and all that which was not surprising as QT is fond of jap movies. Also the art style is something to talk about no matter how ridiculoous or unnecessary it seems, someone just gotta do that type of extremity though it didn't necessarily improved the industry as a whole. Overall I think KB is just a big 'shock' or 'novelty' movie to the action fans as it was something rather interesting and new.

Anyway bak to PF and probably RD since they're thematically similar as far as glamorous gangster movies goes, they were great for what they're worth. I really have nothing else to say and I wouldn't drag lest I say stuff that would be obviously wrong. I'm not a film major or anything like that and I appreciate deep between the lines of everything contentwise so I tink the 'empty' meant te lack of those? yea maybe there is nothing to write home about PF or even deep analysis won't be able to fish anything. But it did well with what it shown and the experience of watching it is something 'great'(?). Which will obviously not apply to everyone.

tl;dr  I like qt movies. fuck you

I fell in love with film within the first 5 minuites (no cookies for guessing why though) but I still like it as a movie and for no other reason, i really could care less about other films it may or may not have had an infulence on. I like or hate movies on there merits alone.

Also, hero bash, i gotta ask, whats the gif in your sig from, i REALLY want to know.

holy shit are discussing this. ARE WE DISCCUSING THIIIIIIS *prince purple rain scream* no but jokes aside yeah those were some good sum-ups by geodude hundley and kaworu... though i have only seen pulp fiction, kill bill 1 and jackie brown. i guess like any sane person i try to keep faith that he'll have at least one good movie  (and believe it or not, jackie brown was closest to one!! but it was ok) but i have yet to see that midgit to make anything that resembles a movie with anything to say. jackie brown could had been an action movie/thriller from the 80's.


EDIT jesus christ my mind. does anybody get reactions' from reading tarantino's wikipedia page?!?!? i need this confirmed

Gotta say, I haven't seen a Tarantino film which I've liked. It's all superficiality and style over substance, and he tries to justify it by claiming to bring back the feel of seventies exploitation films, whilst lacking the sense of irony, humour and directness that those films had. I don't get why people love him so, and then read bullshit into it. Kill Bill isn't feminist, Uma Thurman's character is a male's view of what a strong woman should be (essentially a man with tits) and is nothing more than the cliche vengeance heroine. Reservoir Dogs feels like a ten minute scene stretched out to tedium via soundbytes and violence.

let's ride into the sunset together

just thinking about tarantino makes my teeth gnash

I was going to say "isn't that purposeful?" but then again I only saw maybe half of it and even that was probably 5 years ago. it is firmly wedged in my mind that all that stuff geodude said is 'the point' but I've probably just been brainwashed by family guy commercials

keep in mind tho memes as we know them didn't exist back when pupl fiction was released, so it's kinda like criticizing ebenezer howard for coming up with the theory used by awful developers to create globalized unidentifiable suburbs

oh yeah it is definitely what he is trying to do and that only makes it worse! i could probably forgive him for trying to make a film of substance and flubbing it but to deliberately going out and making something so vacuous... what a big fat waste of celluloid

also memes have generally been recognised since the 90s but that culture of quoting films to exhaustion has been around far longer, that's more  what i was steering toward

Almost forgot about Jackie Brown, it was pretty good too.

@Swordfish: from a foreign film called 'Kopps'.. it's just a dreamlike sequence though so the movie is not really like that comedy, it's actually drama.

holy shit are discussing this. ARE WE DISCCUSING THIIIIIIS *prince purple rain scream* no but jokes aside yeah those were some good sum-ups by geodude hundley and kaworu... though i have only seen pulp fiction, kill bill 1 and jackie brown. i guess like any sane person i try to keep faith that he'll have at least one good movie  (and believe it or not, jackie brown was closest to one!! but it was ok) but i have yet to see that midgit to make anything that resembles a movie with anything to say. jackie brown could had been an action movie/thriller from the 80's.


EDIT jesus christ my mind. does anybody get reactions' from reading tarantino's wikipedia page?!?!? i need this confirmed

"Tarantino’s love of women's feet finds its way into the majority of his films."
-Wikipedia

hahahahahaha

"Tarantino’s love of women's feet finds its way into the majority of his films."
-Wikipedia

interesting analysis

tarantino is a fucker

last movie i watched was rubber

what a great movie (about a tyre)

 
Spike Lee questioned Tarantino's use of racial epithets in his films, particularly the racially offensive epithet, "nigger". In a Variety interview discussing Jackie Brown, Lee said: "I'm not against the word... and I use it, but Quentin is infatuated with the word. What does he want? To be made an honorary black man?"^[54] Tarantino responded on Charlie Rose by stating:
 
As a writer, I demand the right to write any character in the world that I want to write. I demand the right to be them, I demand the right to think them and I demand the right to tell the truth as I see they are, all right? And to say that I can't do that because I'm white, but the Hughes brothers can do that because they're black, that is racist. That is the heart of racism, all right. And I do not accept that ... That is how a segment of the black community that lives in Compton, lives in Inglewood, where Jackie Brown takes place, that lives in Carson, that is how they talk. I'm telling the truth. It would not be questioned if I was black, and I resent the question because I'm white. I have the right to tell the truth. I do not have the right to lie.^[55]

In addition, Tarantino retaliated on The Howard Stern Show by stating Lee would have to "stand on a chair to kiss my ass."^[56]
Samuel L. Jackson, who has appeared in both directors' films, defended Tarantino's use of the word. At the Berlin Film Festival, where Jackie Brown was being screened, Jackson responded to Lee's criticism by saying: I don't think the word is offensive in the context of this film ... Black artists think they are the only ones allowed to use the word. Well, that's bull. Jackie Brown is a wonderful homage to black exploitation films. This is a good film, and Spike hasn't made one of those in a few years.^[57]
 
Tarantino has defended his use of the word, arguing that black audiences have an appreciation of his blaxploitation-influenced films that eludes some of his critics, and, indeed, that Jackie Brown, another oft-cited example, was primarily made for "black audiences".^[58]
According to a 1995 Premiere magazine article, actor Denzel Washington also confronted Tarantino on his usage of racial slurs in his pictures, but mentioned that Tarantino was a "fine artist."^[59]
A leaked draft of Tarantino's script for his next movie, Django Unchained, features an extremely high amount of racial slurs, as it is set in the South during slavery.