are you saying that queer people would cheer at that?

No I was assuming the cheering would stem from anger because of said mistreatment it wasn't at all a reference to queer people but people in general I kind of ignored the whole convo about homosexuality there and was trying to make a general point. Which don't get me wrong is fucked up behavior but theres a reason for it.

the potential role reversal here would be a sexual predator being preyed upon (with ass pinches and pec fondles, I guess?), but again, read the rest of the sentence:

I read it all.

Bond doesn't do that if I remember correctly but there are like six different bonds or some shit.

I mean to me the word REVERSAL means direct opposite. Instead of:

HEHE GIMME DAT HONEY -> NOP

because thats a negation

you'd have

HEHE GIMME DAT HONEY -> OH YOU SO SEXXY

thats bond but he's more "suave" about it I guess?

a reversal from my assumption of that would be

C'MERE BOY -> OHH YOU SO SEXXY

Although the way this is done from my perspective is different. When a woman does that it isn't "suave" like a man but it is kind of bold and aggressive in its own way. If you've ever seen an older woman hitting on a young man that is exactly what I'm talking about. Its very hard to explain because its not very common but it is pretty prevailant in some older women its the same exact thing that a man would do with a woman but with the roles flipped around. Think that "boy toy" shit.

Its hard for me to explain.

Man I see a trend here. Maybe I'm wrong again but I'm seeing a confusion between machoism mysogony and like aggressive overbearing mysogony. Like perversion? I dunno the word I'm looking for.

Have you two ever watched a bond movie? Bond doesn't really ass pinch or anything like that. I mean I guess as aggressive as he gets is like arm grabbing or something but its not like abusive husband GET OVER HERE WOMAN its more like machoism. IM PROTECTING HER! Its not really his right to do that and it is mysogonist but at the same time its just what it is. Some women respect that and some like vellfire and esiann are saying are completely turned off and disgusted by it.

I want to make it perfectly clear at this point I don't condone either types of behavior although I think machoism gets a bad rap and men can carry it without being offensive but I personally think its very important that you distinguish between the two because if you'd assume your generic male mysogonist is that kind of physically aggressive woman hater thats pretty false and not right?

I am all for discussing this shit but I've tried doing this before and I don't really want to get into this discussion if we're gonna go with the assumption that thats all the same terrible awful shit and there is no distinguishing between the two because its honestly something I don't wanna argue about because it just irritates me.

there can also be a somewhat large gap between trans/genderqueer people and sexually queer people, and there are plenty of queer people who don't care about this sort of thing at all. yelling doesn't seem to help change that.

not exactly the same thing but you should be offended if anyone at all

This is another one where I did this before but I guess didn't clarify correctly but I think I can now. The point I was trying to make is both groups are different and even though from their own perspective, different from one another, the way they are percieved by society and are victims of shit like this they are treated no different and even portrayed as the same or very similiar. I'm a very empathetic person. So when I say shit like this I'm speaking through empathy and I assume that other people should do the same and act the same. I fail to realize that they don't think about this shit or refuse to. The point I'm generally trying to make is that swordfish should be angry because of the empathy they should feel from this sort of treatment by society and the media towards homosexuality. It should be all the more apparent with swordfish than me or vellfire or dada or anyone else because society treats the kind of sexuality and personal identification that swordfish has adopted just about as bad as homosexuals as far as I see it but maybe I'm wrong.

Like, I was watching democracynow a long time ago about some riot in some city where a bunch of transexuals and homosexuals were being beaten and arrested by the cops and generally mistreated. It was happening to both of these groups at the same time because of the places they would frequent. The same gay bars or clubs or whatever, so guess what? When it finally came down to it they both started rioting and fighting together and trans were takin off their heels beating the fuck out of cops and they were all carrying the rainbow flags and shit and I thought that was awesome.

Maybe I'm remembering wrong? I dunno but I really liked that and thats probably why I keep that mindset.

I think that is very very very very important
 
Probably THE most important thing about humanity. I understand individualism and independance and not bunching one another together but at the same time if a certain peoples are facing adversity and can deal with that shit together that is so much better than nit picking classification. Maybe I'm on a limb here. I dunno. Yes people should just accept one another and all be different but I think right now atleast we're way too stupid to achieve that. And being like hey I'm getting fucked and that dudes getting fucked......well......if I go with them and help them then they're gonna help me and thats how you change shit.
 
thats my opinion anyways and I do this with absolutely everything.
 
And yeah I should get mad but I dunno. I just get this feeling that swordfish is completely missing some very important shit there that that person needs. And if you realize that and don't wanna be effected by it then fine but ATLEAST aknowledge it or ask a fucking question or something? I dunno its like that person didn't even read anything at all except bond and gay and was like "well I ain't gay so how was this bond movie" and to me thats a fucking red flare.

I wouldn't agree with straight white cisman but yeah you're right about intent.

There are cool movies and TV shows though where people deliberately go against the grain I don't think I really need to use examples but I can.

oh man I just made a bigass post talkin about that stuff and it got dumped cus of the internet, its rainin or somethin so my net keeps shittin out.

well, define default? Are we talking sheer volume or quality?

Because personally my favorite movies aren't exclusively because of the white actors or characters usually and I think if you go off some of the best movies and tv shows ever made or atleast made in the last 25-30 years alot of them actually aren't this type of bland character based garbage you're referring to.

Samuel L. Jackson, Morgan Freeman, Will Smith, and Denzel Washington are prolly all up in my top ten. Benecio del torro is my favorite hispanic actor fuck that dude who played zorro he's too much like a white guy.

I honestly can't think of too many straight white male actors I favor. Johnny Depp would be a big one and he's prolly my fav actor ever but thats not cus he's white that dude is just a real good actor and cool person.

I'm thinkin up women but its mostly because of physical attraction I'm gonna be honest I'm a horndog. I mean I wouldn't even give shit in the first place if they weren't talented to begin with but thats a big factor. That woman from east bound and down, the latina (she's a big latina actress can't remember her name off the bat) Meryl Streep is pretty good and early angelina jolie. She's still pretty good now and then but nowadays its less acting for her and more sexuality which is shitty honestly when they force it like that.

I'm gonna use "The Wire" again thats a real good example. I couldn't give a fuck less about any of the white actors except Mcnulty but he's a fucking alcoholic thick blooded irish (or plays one) white man that doesn't think like a traditional white man. Is dealing with his own struggles and trying to do something about the fucked up world around him.

I mean you can't just look at WHITE STRAIGHT MAN = THEY'RE REGURGITATING PRIVELEDGE because at the same time the artist could be using that very medium as a way to portray a struggle itself that only that kind of person could really honestly show you.

I know it sounds like I'm tryin to play the otherside and I kind of am just to get you to reconsider how you approach this shit because I really don't think its that simple. It can be that simple which is the problem. You can't just write shit off like that without delving deeper and tryin to find some good stuff to make you not so jaded because that way of thinking makes livin hard as fuck imo.


But yeah if we're goin sheer volume you're right. hell yeah. but I don't find THE MAJORITY DOES THIS SHIT FFFFFUUUUUUUUUCCKKKKKKK acceptable at all. Its like you're kind of just givin up and writing shit off.