Cyclone +  winding up a starfire is the THING TO DO, apparently.  It's like the new seduce + soulfire, especially in terms of how many faggots actually win that way and walk away thinking HEH OUTPLAYED.  It's kind of sad and extremely cheeseball, but I honestly don't think I've ever lost to a moonkin that didn't start the fight out with a moonfire from 40 yards away while I was at half health.  It's probably kind of a hard spec to play extremely well, I'd imagine.

Ok so I've started WoW again after my account got hacked and all my chars were deleted. (mostly a 60 undead priest and 45 warlock (pre-tbc))
I've started a night elf hunter because I always wanted to play one since they just look so damn cool in my opinion at max level, but I was always afraid of NOT GETTING IN RAIDING GUILDS and NOT BEING USEFUL AT ALL, but yeah fuck that, I'm just gonna play one, it's lvl 25 now, so I might post some cool screenshots in the future.

EDIT: Also how COOL is that I Am Murloc track huh
EDIT EDIT: How do I transfer my character sheet on the armory to a sig like yours?

I don't think stunlocks are any less cheesy, fyi.  Except, unless a person's really undergeared, I can't stunlock them, and even then it's only certain classes.  A stunlock is only a portion of the fight, against any decently geared/skilled player.  For a warlock, if you really don't think seduce + soulfire + seduce + shadowbolt + seduce + get some range or whatever it is they do to automatically win versus anyone who wasn't undead for the majority of the game was cheeseball, then I'm just going to assume you were never on the receiving end of such a SKILLFULLY PLAYED combo on enough occasions for it to get old.  I wouldn't say any less about a rogue prepping twice so he could blind in some sort of ornate, 45-second stunlock, though.  Only, you can do that once every 10 minutes, whereas you can chain seduce + nuke pretty much without limit.

They have tools at their disposal, and I have ways of countering them, with the new PVP trinkets, and being that I am undead.  But uh, did you play way back when, when PVP trinkets were on enormously long cooldowns, so that you could only beat one lock every 5 minutes in a BG, and as anything BUT undead?  If you did, you'd understand that that is what makes people say such things are cheeseball.  If you're not undead, and your trinket isn't up (it rarely ever would be on a 5 minute cooldown), you just lost.  Automatically.  Even being undead didn't guarantee anything.  So nah I don't really think it takes skill or amounts to them being able to outplay me, especially when you consider how, if you can find a way to trump their cheap strategy, they just roll over and die because they're one trick ponies with no actual knowledge of PVP beyond the three buttons they generally needed to win.  It's just a gross imbalance in the mechanics of 1v1, and that's probably why you don't see silly limitations on what PVP trinkets can break, so people aren't just fucked automatically.  I think it's also why they have much, much shorter cooldowns.

Man, you really don't have to be so defensive about your class and how gay warlocks are in most situations.  I know you got fucked over by rogues for the majority of the game, and I know that's usually how it continues to be, except slightly less bad because of the trinket change.  I stunlock warlocks all the time, and pre-BC, if I even OPENED on a non-SL one, it was already over for them, but that doesn't mean that it's as good versus everybody as it is versus you.  All I said was that cyclone + starfire is the new seduce + soulfire, in terms of exactly what it does, and how many idiots use it, probably as a crutch.  I didn't say it was somehow more cheesy than stunlocks (meaning, it's not a double standard), because I don't especially think it is.  Although, I do think both combos are a bit more universally applicable and easier to pull off than stunlocks, so maybe they are a BIT more cheesy.  But not by much, as I'm definitely aware of how gay it is to stunlock/be stunlocked all the time, and win/lose because of it when it requires very skill or execution to do.

are you guys seriously saying moonkins are good


cuz

it's ALL clearly about whose nuke does more dmg, nothing else matters!

i thought they were kind of a dumb novelty with pretty respectable burst damage and okay sustained damage but feoria told me otherwise!  his little article seemed to insinuate they are actually not bad at all in pvp if played well so now i am sort of wondering if he is right, since he's a pretty good druid and knows his class very well.