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#421 July 31, 2006, 04:29:04 pm

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Bidding DKP is horrible, zero sum is just fine.

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#422 July 31, 2006, 04:30:25 pm

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Quote from: Mishin on July 31, 2006, 03:47:50 pm

omg no not dkp! does every guild here operate on dkp ?
Dkp is just horrible

most end-game raiding guilds use DKP

my raid runs on the simple Zero-Sum, no bidding, person with the most points gets the item.

I hate bidding systems, there can be a few loopholes (my brother and the other hunters in his raid obtained all their gear by bidding 1 DKP each they just took turns dividing the loot or determined who needed it more)

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Bart

#423 July 31, 2006, 05:07:22 pm

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Bidding can be fine if there's not alot of assholes in your raids, but I don't really like bidding systems.

Zero sum DKP. Simple, nothing fancy and it works. Everyone should use it

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esp

#424 July 31, 2006, 05:54:43 pm

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My guild doesn't use DKP at all.

We use Loot Council; basically you make a loot list of items you'd like to have. We have representatives for each class and when an item on your list comes up, your class rep discusses with the Loot Council based on raid attendance, loot already received, and how much of an effort you put in whether you are worthy of the item or not. The Loot Council then makes a decision based on the information they get from the class reps.

It sounds pretty weird but it's a great system imo, though obviously you need unbiased reps

But then I've never had any experience with DKP

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#425 July 31, 2006, 06:05:13 pm

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Quote from: Esperboy on July 31, 2006, 05:54:43 pm

My guild doesn't use DKP at all.

We use Loot Council; basically you make a loot list of items you'd like to have. We have representatives for each class and when an item on your list comes up, your class rep discusses with the Loot Council based on raid attendance, loot already received, and how much of an effort you put in whether you are worthy of the item or not. The Loot Council then makes a decision based on the information they get from the class reps.

It sounds pretty weird but it's a great system imo, though obviously you need unbiased reps

But then I've never had any experience with DKP

This is the loot system in a perfect world.

Our guild is considering trying it.

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Bart

#426 July 31, 2006, 06:46:49 pm

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IIRC, Eternals from Shadowmoon, easily the best guild on the server uses loot council. It's good imo if you have a more tight-knit raiding core of like 55'ish players and the officers aren't douchebags. My brother has pretty good ties with the guild (Like 3 of his RL friends are in it) and they've had no problems with it and no stories of people getting screwed over

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Mishin

#427 July 31, 2006, 07:19:10 pm

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hmm not sure what our system is called but basically we do not use dkp
we use roll modifiers -
You get points for things like being on time - being in a raid and completing it - yadayada-
the points are saved on a page and when you want something you can add these points to your roll. ( as long as you state that in time heh.)
so joe nobody ( a main , not an alt {mains always roll priority }) rolls 56 on an item. But Jane somebody uses 10 point and rolls 11-110. his points . He rolls a 103. wins - something like that . Im not good at explain'n
I heard ninja dkp stories that were pretty bad and didnt make much sence .

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#428 July 31, 2006, 10:04:49 pm

Toe-so-toe damnit!
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Ah, the memories. (Click to reveal)

Just hanging around.

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Bart

#429 July 31, 2006, 10:38:45 pm

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haha oh my

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#430 July 31, 2006, 11:09:45 pm

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holy shit is that the dreamer....belross?

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#431 August 01, 2006, 02:03:39 am

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I was the man back in those days

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dragonx

#432 August 01, 2006, 05:30:54 am

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I have not posted a screenshot in forever....so

randomscreen (Click to reveal)

defeating incendius with our unstoppable power

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Bart

#433 August 01, 2006, 05:39:04 am

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layra with epics lolol

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#434 August 01, 2006, 05:57:06 am

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i want his wild growth spaulders !

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Illness Illusion

#435 August 01, 2006, 06:06:19 am

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Quote from: Bart on August 01, 2006, 05:39:04 am

layra with epics lolol

hey remember big bad voodoo robe and illusionary rod

those were the days

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#436 August 01, 2006, 09:50:30 am

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Quote from: Bart on July 31, 2006, 05:07:22 pm

Bidding can be fine if there's not alot of assholes in your raids, but I don't really like bidding systems.

Zero sum DKP. Simple, nothing fancy and it works. Everyone should use it

This is correct

We abandoned bidding DKP a while ago because you'd get say one person with 250 DKP and someone with 170 DKP bidding on an item and the faggot with 170 going "LOLOL I'M GONNA BID ALL MEH DKP SO HE HAS LESS DKP THAN ME GWAHAHAHA". We even had a rule where an item would only go for half what was bid by the max bidder in situations like that, but zero sum just works so much better.

Also DragonX your dwarf looks as though he should be in Kiss or something

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#437 August 01, 2006, 11:26:45 am

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Quote from: Bart on August 01, 2006, 05:39:04 am

layra with epics lolol

Hes probably the most geared druid next to the druid CL, who has 8/8 and pure elementium and shit.

Also, layra let new life gloves get DE'd

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Illness Illusion

#438 August 01, 2006, 03:12:33 pm

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Hes probably the most geared druid next to the druid CL, who has 8/8 and pure elementium and shit.

I don't know if this is saying much considering that untill recently there were like 3 druids who attended raids on a regular basis.

also bob I told you I wasnt feeling well and afked ;_;

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#439 August 01, 2006, 04:05:54 pm

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JUMPING AROUND IS NOT BEING AFK >

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Bart

#440 August 01, 2006, 04:24:40 pm

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Quote from: BobJustBob on August 01, 2006, 11:26:45 am

Hes probably the most geared druid next to the druid CL, who has 8/8 and pure elementium and shit.

i know a certain druid who is rolling in his grave right now over this

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