There's always the argument that no one wants to be a whore, it's dirty it's degrading and only desperate people do it! I don't see this as an argument, a personal nightmare of mine would be to be a cleaner. For me personally cleaning up after someone else would be degrading and I'd have to be desperate to do it. Pretty much the same thing just that prostitution involves sex oh god awful sex. God weeps every time you have sex that doesn't result in a child oh no. I'm do not like that we still have fucking christian values in our lawbook. It fucking sucks that religion still plays a part in our society because for me it's just a bunch of fucking fairytales. I spit on your values.

My mom works in the local hospital Villa. They call her a "Bio Techie," which is a fancy name for shit-cleaner and soiled-linen-changer. She's also been cleaning houses. Hell, I've even helped her clean houses. But she isn't any whore.

The problem with whoring is that there ARE gritty realities that you just cannot keep from happening. The difference between whoring and lawn mowing is that you're not being stripped naked and beaten to death with a whip while you're doing it (GET your hands OUT of your pants). Unless the government comes up with some crazy plan to spend billions of dollars regulating whoring (government endorsed prostitutes...heh wait, that's our political system already), there's only one way to ensure these people's safety, and that is to do away with the system entirely.

At least it's obvious that you're joking.

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And the religious aspect of it is pretty much this -- that it's wrong to passively allow people to get hurt, and that we should always be doing something to make sure that doesn't happen. A healthy perception of women and conservative relationships pretty much stems from that. But it's not a question of religion as much as it is of people's well-being.

there's only one way to ensure these people's safety, and that is to do away with the system entirely.

man I feel like this is some kind of HIGH SCHOOL DISCUSSION SESSION because come on. First off, I seriously doubt anyone at gw actually know anything at all about the prostitution environment (and especially in foreign countries, since especially the US members seem to be extremely keen on elaborating on how it is completely horrible not taking into account it works different in other countries; hell, we even have prostitute labour unions here that ensure the rights, wages and working times of prostitutes), and thus the entire discussion is just WORDS. The whole topic seems to be so fantastically naïve that it borders kindergarten queries about how people should treach each other.

Secondly, anyone that seriously believes that prohibition will make prostitution go away, or reduce it to such a degree that it weighs more than the negative consequences driving the girls further into the shade of society (like for instance, how prostitutes are killed off during violent sex etc), needs to understand they're completely misinterpreting the situation.

I think the biggest issue is that members here seem to think there is a universality to prostitution that rings true. It should go without saying that prostitution in Norway, where ghettos are non-existant, where crime is low, where sex is generally considered completely neutral as far as moral is concerned and where prostitutes are organised and are members of labour unions that look after their rights, the problems associated with prostitution are very different than in the US, where the situation is the extreme opposite... just as you'd expect prostitution in countries like Afghanistan to be even worse. In Afghanistan, a prostitute that reports on violence would be stoned. In USA, a prostitute that reports on violence would be jailed. In Norway, a prostitute that reports on violence would lead to the offender getting arrested.

I don't really care about prostitution, though I do believe the passing of a law that can get you arrested for comitting the crime in another country is ridiculous, but I don't think it's very healthy or internationalized to discuss the issues when everyone seems to base their opinions solely on their own country, and applying the same logic to other countries where the situation is different.

The sex trade is one of the oldest trades out there and will never go away, so you might aswell legalize it.

I've talked to some prostitutes before when walking down the ghetto to the best chinese restaurant in Edmonton, of course i've only talked to a couple when my dad was with me doing more of the talking so I said few. Most of em' enjoyed the chat or were surprised at us just wanting to talk. Which flipped my initial view of them around.

Unfortunently where I live now the young people have a very skewed view of prostitutes around here. Particularly the fact that they think that throwing money at them for sex is all that they're good for, and talking to em' ain't free either. They call me an idiot for not gettin' the ropes that all prostitutes are not like typical human beings, and it isn't worth talking to them because you apparently gotta pay to talk to them (which tells me they're dicks towards them, which I initially geussed). This is worse then young people in the city, since the ones here collectively agree to the idea.

man I feel like this is some kind of HIGH SCHOOL DISCUSSION SESSION because come on. First off, I seriously doubt anyone at gw actually know anything at all about the prostitution environment (and especially in foreign countries, since especially the US members seem to be extremely keen on elaborating on how it is completely horrible not taking into account it works different in other countries; hell, we even have prostitute labour unions here that ensure the rights, wages and working times of prostitutes), and thus the entire discussion is just WORDS. The whole topic seems to be so fantastically naïve that it borders kindergarten queries about how people should treach each other.

Secondly, anyone that seriously believes that prohibition will make prostitution go away, or reduce it to such a degree that it weighs more than the negative consequences driving the girls further into the shade of society (like for instance, how prostitutes are killed off during violent sex etc), needs to understand they're completely misinterpreting the situation.

I think the biggest issue is that members here seem to think there is a universality to prostitution that rings true. It should go without saying that prostitution in Norway, where ghettos are non-existant, where crime is low, where sex is generally considered completely neutral as far as moral is concerned and where prostitutes are organised and are members of labour unions that look after their rights, the problems associated with prostitution are very different than in the US, where the situation is the extreme opposite... just as you'd expect prostitution in countries like Afghanistan to be even worse. In Afghanistan, a prostitute that reports on violence would be stoned. In USA, a prostitute that reports on violence would be jailed. In Norway, a prostitute that reports on violence would lead to the offender getting arrested.

I don't really care about prostitution, though I do believe the passing of a law that can get you arrested for comitting the crime in another country is ridiculous, but I don't think it's very healthy or internationalized to discuss the issues when everyone seems to base their opinions solely on their own country, and applying the same logic to other countries where the situation is different.

I was pretty much basing my assumptions on what happens in the US and in the Philippines, where being a prostitute is actually dangerous. If prostitution is safe for everyone in your country, more power to you. If the prostitutes' rights are ensured and they have legal power, then there's no reason to worry about this. But there's got to be a reason why it's suddenly illegal, and I'm having trouble believing that it's because your governments've suddenly turned religious.

You do have an interesting point though -- the different standards of each country is definitely a factor in how we look at this problem. What's more, it might just be true that making freedoms like this illegal CONTRIBUTES to social violence.

Take marijuana in the United States for example. We've got the mexicans south of the border killing each other trying to get it to us because there's a black market for it. On top of that, we've got gangs killing people to distribute it to buyers. If, all the sudden, you could buy marijuana at the frigging grocery store, then this becomes very stupid. Same goes for prostitution. If it were a normal, everyday thing, like MOWING LAWNS, then everything's fine and dandy -- people are just doing their jobs. Also, crimes like rape would actually lessen because prostitution would act as a pressure valve for those social behaviors.

But you've got to draw the line somewhere. The reason why crimes like ROBBERY and MURDER are illegal is because people are harmed. And if people are being harmed by any crime, then we've got to make it illegal. So i'd really like to see the reasoning behind why Norway and Sweden have suddenly made prostitution illegal.

the reason it's illegal is mostly linked to trafficking... which imo should be handled more as a KIDNAPPING & SLAVERY issue than a PROSTITUTION issue but whatever.

but the politicians seem to know trafficking is fought by making prostitution illegal.

Politics is so great. Maybe it's because they don't want to look bad. They look good fighting prostitution, that's how they get their votes; they don't actually need to address the problem. Oh wait, this is just me looking at another country through American standards.

Yeah, I don't know. They're going to waste more money using the police force to arrest prostitutes than if they used a bunch of detectives to find the actual traffickers.

So anyways, how do they find out that you've screwed a Thai prostitute? Sure it's illegal. It's also illegal for me to drink (which is also another stupid thing, drinking age), but they wouldn't know squat if I go overseas.