In Sweden there are always ongoing debates about prostitution and other "immoral" pleasures like porn perhaps. I'm getting more and more frustrated with the debates were prostitution is considered "evil" in itself. I am agaisnt prostitution because it seems to me like whores get abused but I don't consider the act to be wrong. You got something to sell and I have a demand, that's how the market works. No action is in itself "evil", the consequences it has on another person is the "evil". If you could be sure the whore wasn't being abused I'd be all for it but I don't think you can be sure enough for it to be legal but I still don't think prostitution is wrong.

There's always the argument that no one wants to be a whore, it's dirty it's degrading and only desperate people do it! I don't see this as an argument, a personal nightmare of mine would be to be a cleaner. For me personally cleaning up after someone else would be degrading and I'd have to be desperate to do it. Pretty much the same thing just that prostitution involves sex oh god awful sex. God weeps every time you have sex that doesn't result in a child oh no. I'm do not like that we still have fucking christian values in our lawbook. It fucking sucks that religion still plays a part in our society because for me it's just a bunch of fucking fairytales. I spit on your values.

 So what do you think about this? Is prostitution wrong?  

Also why I'm writing this is because pretty soon norwegians men buying sex outside of their country are going to be commiting a crime. yes a norwegian man buying himself a whore or ten in thailand is going to be committing a crime in norway. ahahhahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. you can discuss this too i guess. i also hate people telling me what to think, my morals are my own.

woow, getting paid sex in ANOTHER country will be a crime in there? that's pretty fucked up, and I thought europe was more liberal about that...
Anyway I agree with you, if there was a way to be sure that sexual workers weren't being abused, I don't see the problem, it's degrading to some people, but not to all of them, I've personally met some sexual workers who actually enjoy doing it, although all of them were just doing it for a limited amount of time.

oh no it's the buyer who is doing the illegal act, not the provider. that's how it is in sweden too, everything to protect the whore. which is why i do not like christian moralist who says prostitution in itself is bad.

I'm sorry, that's what I meant.

oh no it's the buyer who is doing the illegal act, not the provider. that's how it is in sweden too, everything to protect the whore. which is why i do not like christian moralist who says prostitution in itself is bad.

i find it pretty hard to agree with you when you insist women who are forced into prostitution by circumstance should not be protected and are just "whores".

There's always the argument that no one wants to be a whore, it's dirty it's degrading and only desperate people do it! I don't see this as an argument, a personal nightmare of mine would be to be a cleaner. For me personally cleaning up after someone else would be degrading and I'd have to be desperate to do it. Pretty much the same thing just that prostitution involves sex oh god awful sex. God weeps every time you have sex that doesn't result in a child oh no.

are you kidding me. okay, no one will debate over moral legislaton is the reason it's illegal but you're kidding if you think prostitution is the same as CLEANING A HOUSE. jesus christ. do you know how many prostitutes get raped? and how they can't file because the john will just say he paid for it and she's lying? or the fact that a great deal of the people who use prostitutes use them to fulfill very violent fantasies? this is rarely just sex; it's usually unprotected violent sex without any regard for the health of the woman.

do you think dead prostitutes just happen for a mysterious reason? prostitution isn't a desperate last resort? anyone would prefer to have sex with overly violent men that might rape you or kill you or give you STDs? do you know what degrading means because being paid to be a sex object is pretty close to the dictionary example.

basically you're frothing at the mouth that prostitution CAN BE okay but admit it rarely is and abuse, rape, murder, and infection are pretty much staples of the career at this point and while Penn and Teller can dig up an old guy who just wants to not sleep alone or some burn victim that will never have sex otherwise, many many johns are just violent as shit. if you want someone to say the job of prostitution in a vacuum is okay, sure, it is, if you want to go that hypothetical, but it's a pretty disgusting reality.

It really depends on where its happening and what establishment is doing the prostitution.

In some cases they are protected by their employers and stuff so if any of the customers do any fucked up shit then they get the boot or whatnot. Its really alot like stripping in some sense. I'm not going to say its OK but it really isn't like these young girls are being picked up in third world countries and raised from childhood to be a meat bag.

It doesn't really work that way anymore in the modern world. Although that probably does happen in some fucked up places you won't see those kinds of girls as much in Japan, Thailand, or Amsterdam. I also heard that prostitutes in some European countries are considered a national resource and get pretty good benefits from their government.

I'm not into prostitution either really, but I don't see a problem with it.


EDIT: Although I agree with what steel's saying is probably true in some cases thats also why you have brothels and hotels you stay at and pay for the girls in. That way there are bouncers and guards to keep an eye out and make sure that shit doesn't happen. Its probably not fool proof but its alot safer than sending a girl out on the streets and I'm sure that condoms are mandatory too. If you're actually going somewhere to get it done and not picking up random street girl.

well i am saying that prostitutes get abused and that's why it should be illegal but i still don't think prostitution is wrong and im saying whore because it's a proper term, a woman who sells sex is a whore. i never said "just a whore".

i just can't see how prostitution is "wrong". it should not be legal because whores, prostitutes, hookers whatever term you want to use often get abused but i still can't see prostitution as wrong while a lot of people with "high moral standards" just say that prostitution is just that.

a person who sells sex for money is a prostitute, the word "whore" is a value judgement and i fucking hate it when men throw it around.

whore's current etymology is much closer to slang; ironically it was a more proper noun than prostitute for some time but as Jamicus said it's mostly used as a value judgement; no newspaper will call women working as prostitutes "whores" after all. also technically no act is wrong if you view it in a vacuum! even murder can be justified if you stretch it enough to include like kevorkian ethics. but in reality I don't think we need to draw the line of "bad prostitution" versus "good prostitution" when the latter is near nonexistent.

i can't think of a good reason why prostitution shouldn't be legalized and put under strict regulations. medical record checks, on-site testing = no more STDs. people with a history of sexual violence = no access, and so on.

i mean i can already imagine an illegal area of prostitution would just reappear when desperate women who can't meet certain health criteria or can't get hired for whatever reason turn to picking up men on street corners, who also happen to be unable to involve themselves in the legal business due to being on the sex offenders register or having relevant convictions. even saying that though, it's no reason not to legalize and regulate prostitution right now, and then start to deal with the other problems that will arise later because i can't see how legalizing it will do any significant harm, and it could help reduce the damage it does now by whatever small amount. i'm not under any illusions that prostitution is not a desperate business and it will probably always stay that way, but criminalizing people for being involved in it isn't helping.

i can't think of a good reason why prostitution shouldn't be legalized and put under strict regulations. medical record checks, on-site testing = no more STDs. people with a history of sexual violence = no access, and so on.

i mean i can already imagine an illegal area of prostitution would just reappear when desperate women who can't meet certain health criteria or can't get hired for whatever reason turn to picking up men on street corners, who also happen to be unable to involve themselves in the legal business due to being on the sex offenders register or having relevant convictions. even saying that though, it's no reason not to legalize and regulate prostitution right now, and then start to deal with the other problems that will arise later because i can't see how legalizing it will do any significant harm, and it could help reduce the damage it does now by whatever small amount. i'm not under any illusions that prostitution is not a desperate business and it will probably always stay that way, but criminalizing people for being involved in it isn't helping.

this is true but I've always thought the libertarian idea of FINALLY A BROTHEL IN EVERY CITY has been pretty rolleyes and doesn't address the fact that the reason prostitution is popular is because of a societal emphasis on women as sex objects and calling it just another business is a bit like saying selling cigarettes is just another business; at the root it is but on some level its pretty fucking unwholesome for everyone involved.

neckbeards you shall not pass.

I'm against child prostitution and that's all.

But some of them make a lot of money and taking away their main source of income would not be good for them

The point is that if it were legal, prostitutes would get abused a LOT less, they would be instances for them to go to in case they needed help, and customers would probably have to show their id's so if they do something bad to them they could get easily arrested. I know that some people do it just because it's their only option, but that doesn't mean that they can't enjoy it, not saying that all of them do, but the ones I've met don't really want to stop doing it.

Me and my pals are just off down the mustang club to bang some whores.

It's a great club, they can do what you want, they're like slaves. But you do have to plan everything out in advanced, so there's no real room for improvisation. Like they can wear leather (real leather, do you like leather?) and chains, you can tie them up and they can gag on your cock before you blow it all over their pretty little blue faces.
It's so fun, and the women there feel so empowered that they're using their sexuality to take advantage of men and their money.

woow, getting paid sex in ANOTHER country will be a crime in there?

Now that I read the whole topic I think it makes sense,  I think that law is targeting (maybe indirectly) child sex tourists. So I agree with it.

Now that I read that prostitution is illegal in sweden I think my interpretation does not make sense

OBJECTIVES: This study examined condom use in legal Nevada brothels. METHODS: Forty female prostitutes in two brothels were interviewed about client resistance to condoms and techniques for facilitating condom use. RESULTS: Of 3290 clients in the previous month, 2.7% (95% confidence interval [CI] = 2.2%,3.4%) were reluctant to use condoms. Of these individuals, 72% ultimately used condoms, while 12% chose nonpenetrative sex without condoms. The remaining 16% left the brothels without services. Condom use rates were markedly lower with nonpaying sex partners (lowers) than with clients. CONCLUSIONS: Brothel prostitutes may be at greater risk for acquiring HIV and other sexually transmitted diseases from lovers than from clients.

man not that i doubt that but what kind of conclusion is MAY BE AT GREATER RISK FROM LOVERS. what? why did they pull this out of their ass? not one part of what they described said anything about the prostitute's non client partners.

basically I think everyone dislikes how prostitution works now but similarly just saying LEGALIZE IT means you have to enter the realm of hyperbole where society's attitude towards sex is changed (and I don't just mean christian moralism) and a few huge strides of feminism have to take place before we can legitimately say two people would enter basically a MASSEUSE contract instead of what will almost certainly happen. it's one of those positions where it's hard for me to take a gradualistic stance on because I'm not sure even my children would live to see the day prostitutes are treated as business associates by the majority of people.