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To those knowledgeable in this area, how is this setup? I'm willing to pay quite a bit for this system so I don't have to upgrade for a while so that's not really an issue.


Power Supply: TITAN 850W, 80 Plus, SLI & Crossfire Certified EPS
Processor: Intel Core i7-920 2.66 GHz, 4.8 GT/sec QPI, 8MB Cache, Socket LGA1366
Chipset: Gigabyte GA-EX58-DS4 MB Intel X58+ICH10R, QPI 6.4GT/s PCI-Ex16, SATAII, RAID
Video Card: ATI HD4870 X2 (Full HD 1080p) HDMI 2GB (512bit) GDDR5 Dual DL-DVI & TV (HDCP) PCI-E
RAM: 6GB G.Skill Low-Latency PC3-10600 DDR3-1333MHz Memory in Triple-Channel Configuration
HDD: 1TB Samsung HD103UJ, 7200 RPM, 32MB Cache SATA II 3Gb/s
OD: Pioneer DVR-216BK SATA DVDRW: 20x DVD+/-R/RW Dual-Layer DVD Burner
Card Reader: Internal Multi-in-1 3.5" front bay Card Reader with 1x USB2.0 port


Also, what operating system should I run? Vista Home or Ultimate?
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Just to give you a heads up you need to run a 64bit operating system to use that much ram, otherwise the system will only recognize 3.25-3.5GB. And unless you're worried about DX10 features then XP still seems the way to go, especially because I've heard the 64bit version of Vista isn't so great.
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I wouldn't suggest Vista, and if you're goin all out, might as well throw in a Blu-ray DVD burner and a non-onboard sound card like X-fi. If you choose not to go 64 bit (very good idea to stick with 32 bit for now), you can just get 3gb and still go triple channel. You really don't need more than 3gb at the moment.
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Holy shitfuck, how much are you paying for that?!

You rich, rich man.

As for the 32/64 bit Windows issue - what will you use the system for (apart from gaming)?

If you're primarily playing the newest games and checking your email, 64 bit windows is fine...
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It will be mostly for newer games yeah, internet etc. I've got a quote for around $3400 AUS including a monitor, keyboard/mouse, speaker system & wireless network card. Not rich just been saving my pennies for a lonnng time hehe.
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Holy shitfuck, how much are you paying for that?!

You rich, rich man.

As for the 32/64 bit Windows issue - what will you use the system for (apart from gaming)?

If you're primarily playing the newest games and checking your email, 64 bit windows is fine...

There are other issues with 64bit versions as well, but the real question is why would he want it? I'd assume he wants it for the additional RAM a 64bit system can offer, however no game requires 6GB of ram to run. The only time I went above 2GB is playing Crysis and unless you have a bunch of shit open you will probably never go above 3GB. I'd think it would be preferable just to get 4GB and stay in 32bit until you really need that extra ram. It's not an issue to put 1 or 2 more sticks in and it won't be anytime soon.
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There are other issues with 64bit versions as well, but the real question is why would he want it? I'd assume he wants it for the additional RAM a 64bit system can offer, however no game requires 6GB of ram to run. The only time I went above 2GB is playing Crysis and unless you have a bunch of shit open you will probably never go above 3GB. I'd think it would be preferable just to get 4GB and stay in 32bit until you really need that extra ram. It's not an issue to put 1 or 2 more sticks in and it won't be anytime soon.

If he's running triple channel, he would need three of the same sticks, so it's either 1.5gb (3x512mb) or 3gb (3x1gb) if he wants to stay under 4gb.
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If he's running triple channel, he would need three of the same sticks, so it's either 1.5gb (3x512mb) or 3gb (3x1gb) if he wants to stay under 4gb.
Right, I didn't even think of that.
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I've been using Vista 64-bit for 2 years now and it works just fine. I can play all new games without any problems at all. The only problems I had was 2 years ago when Vista was new and all the required drivers for my peripherals weren't released for 64-bit Vista yet. Now it works absolutely fine. That being said, 6 GB of RAM does sound like an overkill, you can easily do anything and play any game with 3-4 GB.

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64-bit Vista is fine, you shouldn't run into many issues. That sounds like a killer setup... hope you get a nice high-res monitor to run it all on.

Also if it were me personally I would cut back a lot on the proc, mobo, and RAM and direct that money towards better video which will make a much more substantial difference in games.

I would get 2 GTX 280s in SLI versus dropping so much on the latest and greatest in CPU technology.

EDIT: Hrmm seems the Intel Core i7-920 isn't as expensive as I thought it was.
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"direct that money towards better video"

4870 X2 is like the best single card out there, and it can run ANY game on very high settings on high resolutions. I know because I own the card myself as well. There's no reason to invest in anything more expensive/better, if that means cutting back in CPU/RAM/Mobo because those parts will end up being a bottleneck for sure, except for games that require little CPU (with today's realistic physics and AI etc. CPU is very important in gaming as well).

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I have a question. Do you get ~200% performance with a 4870X2 or does it suffer the same sort of ~120-160% performance difference of running two 4870s in crossfire versus a single card?

Sorry, maybe I am misunderstanding and my numbers are definitely made up
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Run the 280's. Seriously, they are much slightly better than the 4870's. Also, unless you intend on a really nice monitor, or plan on playing on HUGE resolutions ALL THE TIME, you would more likely be better off with a single card. Realistically, more cards means higher resolution, and occasionally worse performance than a single card. I'm sure many people will disagree with that, but just look at the benchmarks guys.

Also, if you are running the i7, you would be better off using intels new mobo. And as one last recommendation, get 1600 mhz ram, otherwise you won't notice much difference from DDR2 ram.

Please consider these points. Also, this computer is DAMN close to the new one I will be getting.
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I have a question. Do you get ~200% performance with a 4870X2 or does it suffer the same sort of ~120-160% performance difference of running two 4870s in crossfire versus a single card?

Sorry, maybe I am misunderstanding and my numbers are definitely made up
I haven't run two 4870s so I don't know for sure. But since it's essentially a single card, there's no overhead of CrossFireX, so I doubt that you lose much performance.

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Run the 280's. Seriously, they are much slightly better than the 4870's.
Are you talking about 2x280 vs 4870X2? Because obviously those would be better (and twice the price tag too), since GTX 280 and 4870X2 are both their respective manufacturer's top of the line graphic cards. But if you're looking for a single card setup, then definitely go for 4870 X2, it's better and any benchmark shows you that. Check this one for example (comparison of 4870X2 vs GTX 280): http://www.madshrimps.be/?action=getarticle&articID=869

It's especially better under Vista, which you're getting, and it deals with AA much better. I found Crysis benchmarks very interesting:
http://www.madshrimps.be/?action=getarticle&number=9&artpage=3692&articID=869

4870X2 pretty much beats the 280 by a very large margin (twice as fast in some cases) in Vista and when you enable AA, while 280 is only marginally better in XP with no AA.

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Thank you so much everyone for all the highly useful information! I'll definitely take it all into consideration and let you guys know the verdict. ;)
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Damn ramirez, I haven't seen any benchmarks in which the 280 lost... Sweet, maybe I'll switch.

Only problem is that the 4870X2 doesnj't get that nice QAA
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I haven't run two 4870s so I don't know for sure. But since it's essentially a single card, there's no overhead of CrossFireX, so I doubt that you lose much performance.
Are you talking about 2x280 vs 4870X2? Because obviously those would be better (and twice the price tag too), since GTX 280 and 4870X2 are both their respective manufacturer's top of the line graphic cards. But if you're looking for a single card setup, then definitely go for 4870 X2, it's better and any benchmark shows you that. Check this one for example (comparison of 4870X2 vs GTX 280): http://www.madshrimps.be/?action=getarticle&articID=869

It's especially better under Vista, which you're getting, and it deals with AA much better. I found Crysis benchmarks very interesting:
http://www.madshrimps.be/?action=getarticle&number=9&artpage=3692&articID=869

4870X2 pretty much beats the 280 by a very large margin (twice as fast in some cases) in Vista and when you enable AA, while 280 is only marginally better in XP with no AA.

You forgot the pricing on them. The 4870X2 is about 500$, and the GTX 280 is about 380$. Sure it's faster, but is it 120$ (~30%) faster? Doesn't look like it. GTX 280 still has best price-to-performance ratio from these two.

I have a question. Do you get ~200% performance with a 4870X2 or does it suffer the same sort of ~120-160% performance difference of running two 4870s in crossfire versus a single card?

Two cards in SLI/Crossfire will almost never hit a 100% performance increase (I think you're doubling your percentages there!), and the average is around 50%. You have to factor in that some games won't fully utilize sli/xfire, lower resolutions/detail settings will see the lowest increase in speeds, and some games just won't work with it at all.
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You forgot the pricing on them. The 4870X2 is about 500$, and the GTX 280 is about 380$. Sure it's faster, but is it 120$ (~30%) faster? Doesn't look like it. GTX 280 still has best price-to-performance ratio from these two.

Two cards in SLI/Crossfire will almost never hit a 100% performance increase (I think you're doubling your percentages there!), and the average is around 50%. You have to factor in that some games won't fully utilize sli/xfire, lower resolutions/detail settings will see the lowest increase in speeds, and some games just won't work with it at all.

No, I wasn't doubling the percentage because I wasn't talking about it from a perspective of an increase (at least I didn't mean to).
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Do you mean running two of them in crossfire? I don't think you EVER get twice the performance just because you have two cards. I think you usually get an increase of 80% max(180% performance of a single card.)
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You forgot the pricing on them. The 4870X2 is about 500$, and the GTX 280 is about 380$. Sure it's faster, but is it 120$ (~30%) faster? Doesn't look like it. GTX 280 still has best price-to-performance ratio from these two.
I don't know how they're priced there, but I bought 4870X2 less than two months ago for 460 euros, and GTX 280 was around 450 euros at its cheapest, so that's only 10e difference there.

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