Isn't that just a generic power symbol for electronics?

nah, they'd think it was cool.  if snake kisses a man surely it must be a-ok and not weird or anything.

dude there's nothing wrong with comrades in arms doing shit like slapping each other's asses in the shower, maybe a victory kiss, and I dunno... like when there's down time just kinda take their pants off and wrestle around a little in their underwear. 'snot gay or anything, just a little bromance in the heat of battle

If there were less dumb ass fan boys Kojima wouldn't have put as much stupid shit in this game like Raiden, but it is still inexcusable to have him come back like 3 times.

If there were less dumb ass fan boys Kojima wouldn't have put as much stupid shit in this game like Raiden, but it is still inexcusable to have him come back like 3 times.

i think that if left to his own devices, kojima would design a 20 hour cutscene with 40 minutes of gameplay

I love MGS4 a lot but I agree that it is ridiculous and stupid.  I tried to explain this to my roommate who hates everything except for Woody Allen, menthol cigarettes, and MGS4 but like . . . he is all NO METAL GEAR SOLID 4 IS AWESOME IT ISN'T A JOKE WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT??  He hates anime etc but he still thought MGS4 was legitimately fashionably "cool" and not a slightly intentionally stupid game whose esoterics sort of missed the mark.

Also Marcus: Being able to beat the game in 5 hours in a speedrun doesn't mean that there is more time in story sequences than gameplay

Yes, the breakdancing robots.  

Look, Raiden was just the most ridiculous aspect of the game.  It's like Kojima wanted to please everyone who thought Raiden was gay (quite the opposite as Raiden took out like 20 MG Rays, a harrier, a vampire, etc.) by making him as DRAGON BALL Z as humanely possible.  The game is nothing but meandering and redundant conversations but Raiden was absolutely 100% RIDICULOUS.

I find it bizarre that in the Jap version of the game Raiden's voice is like 37 semitones lower. The American version definitely is more like how a guy like Raiden would sound

but yeah I don't know how you can make Raiden badass when MGS2 was just a huge pretense for getting him naked/peed on/choked by Sean Connery with tentacles - although actually in effect I remember I thought anything Raiden did was badass because like I didn't even expect for him to be able to use a handgun let alone STINGER MISSLE hell even the fact that he could punch and kick was like wtf


But yeah MGS4 sounds disappointing - I actually thought the game might be uber-gameplay this time around before it came out, because I heard the story went all over the world and shite

MGS4 was awesome though. All the people who are bitching are bitching just for the sake of it. Most arguments are OH THIS WAS SO IMPROBABLE IN A COMPUTER GAME or THE CUTSCENES WERE TOO LONG but that's only because people LOVE moaning. When people moan they get a little jolt of satisfaction having vented something out of their system like GOD DAMN that feels good I made such a reiterated point there.

Compare MGS to an EA game. Compare it to most of the mindless drivel that came out this year. God it was so shit wasn't it [/not]

That moan felt great. I just came.

MGS4 was awesome though. All the people who are bitching are bitching just for the sake of it. Most arguments are OH THIS WAS SO IMPROBABLE IN A COMPUTER GAME or THE CUTSCENES WERE TOO LONG but that's only because people LOVE moaning. When people moan they get a little jolt of satisfaction having vented something out of their system like GOD DAMN that feels good I made such a reiterated point there.

Compare MGS to an EA game. Compare it to most of the mindless drivel that came out this year. God it was so shit wasn't it [/not]

That moan felt great. I just came.

How am I bitching just for the sake of it. The story sucks. The story sucks.

MGS4 was awesome though. All the people who are bitching are bitching just for the sake of it. Most arguments are OH THIS WAS SO IMPROBABLE IN A COMPUTER GAME or THE CUTSCENES WERE TOO LONG but that's only because people LOVE moaning. When people moan they get a little jolt of satisfaction having vented something out of their system like GOD DAMN that feels good I made such a reiterated point there.

Compare MGS to an EA game. Compare it to most of the mindless drivel that came out this year. God it was so shit wasn't it [/not]

That moan felt great. I just came.

this is a dumb post, people complained because they paid over 60 dollars for a game with more cinematics than gameplay and although you'd expect those cinematics not to be boring they almost all were. the best cinematic was when you flipped through a tv at the beginning.

at least shitty mindless drivel knows it's mindless and doesn't actively insult your intelligence.

Compare MGS to an EA game. Compare it to most of the mindless drivel that came out this year. God it was so shit wasn't it [/not]

I'd rather play something like Dead Space, hell even Mirror's Edge over shit like MGS4. Those count as EA games right?

If this did come out for Xbox 360 obviously it would please some people but really all it would say was that everything Kojima said or Konami said about it not being able to work on the console was a big fat lie. Which I would much rather know, seriously it can't have been THAT big of a game.

I think the main problem with Raiden is that people bitch about Raiden. People like that exist, and the same weirdass shit happens to Snake / Naked Snake. But it wasn't Snake. It was a scronny pasty-white bleachblonde elite soldier. Like everything in the Metal Gear series it's over the top / silly. At the heart of MG games there's some message or another, but the stories are basically a giant joke. Like they'll start with something not so obsurd, missile hijacking, and add in more obsurdity, its fired by a giant walking mech, and keep adding, a vampire who can walk on water, and keep adding, a dead guy alive through genetic experiments, and keep adding, some guy alive through an arm; until it's this giant hilarious mess.

MGS4 admittedly had a ton of cutscenes; but I'm not complaining. It brought this aforementioned jumbled hilarious mess of a plot to closure. Plus the gameplay was fun. The Metal Gear Rex vs. Ray battle was awesome; all the bosses were interesting and enjoyable; and the final Metal Gear was crazy with all those little arm-orb soldiers.
Dunno, it was like enjoying a really good television series in one sitting.

Heh, and yeah MGS is silly: "RUMBLE IS BACK!" -Psycho Mantis' ghost

http://toucharcade.com/2008/12/17/konami-to-bring-metal-gear-solid-silent-hill-dance-dance-revolution-to-iphone/

The next Metal Gear is coming to the iPhone and the iPod Touch!  This is awesome, and this might be the game that makes everyone aware that these devices are also gaming platforms.

There was so much mac product placement in MGS4 I am surprised we didn't clock onto this.

many people did! you were too busy arguing over MGS4 to notice!

this is a dumb post, people complained because they paid over 60 dollars for a game with more cinematics than gameplay and although you'd expect those cinematics not to be boring they almost all were. the best cinematic was when you flipped through a tv at the beginning.

at least shitty mindless drivel knows it's mindless and doesn't actively insult your intelligence.

If people are complaining for paying 60 bucks for a game that they didn't like, it's their own issue for not renting the game first, or realizing this is a Metal Gear Solid game, known for large amounts of long cinematics.

The cinematic weren't up to par of the other games, a lot of them, or maybe all of them had at least one part that was just ugh worthy.

And I think crumply does have a point. This game is better than most of the other shit out there, and a lot of work was put into it. I can understand just not liking a game, bit I'm pretty sure people do get their jollies from ranting about a game in a topic about that game over and over.

dude what. NONE of the MGS games had the number of cutscenes this one did. it was only a few days before release that rumors of 30 minute cutscenes arose. the game is actually substantially different from the others (they all take place in single environments, where MGS4 had five different ones, just off the top of my head) and no amount of "MGS game" preps you for that. also renter places take a bit of time to get games anyways.

people can feel gypped by a game and have a legit complaint without having to jump through consumerhoops.

also renter places take a bit of time to get games anyways.

and some people live in areas where you can't rent games because the only place to rent anything in their town is blockbuster and their blockbuster is still 90% VHS tapes (its me (this is me (this is my town) ) )

In the uk we have lovefilm where they post or "mail" you the film/game of your choice and you can have so many a month depending on your subscription. I do it for Blu Rays and PS3 games and it is a lot more economical than buying titles when they come out.

Having said this, I am totally happy with my £40 purchase of MGS4 as I have played though it many times.

dude what. NONE of the MGS games had the number of cutscenes this one did.

I dunno man, MGS3 was pretty gay in this regard because they hand over the controls to you for like 10 minutes then you get to the next area and there is a cutscene followed by a summary of the cutscene via codec then rince and repeat. They weren't super long or anything but they constantly kept pausing the gameplay and when they start discussing with some halfassed philosophical metaphors you just want to skip it all.

MGS2 was had a lot longer gameplay sections and it was a shorter game but in the end you get that 10 hour codec marathon + cutscenes and none of it is even remotely interesting but you are always uncertain if there's that one bit of information that you need in the midst of it all.

I recently played MGS1 and even that is guilty of dreadfully long codec conversations and cutscenes (there's only a few though) but since the dialogue is more down to earth and the plot isn't full of random shit you almost want to read it all.