man what do you want. it's already twelve days past 2008, we've touched on most good albums (ODES ANYONE WANT TO TALK ABOUT AMADOU AND MIRIAM????) that people know, at this point some guy talking about the "chord progression" of music is very funny! this is the same argument I had with you, namely if you're looking at these aspects of music instead of harder to define semiotic and social and dare I say it SPIRITUAL worth, you aren't really listening to music in a good way!

Yes, cause listening to music EXCLUSIVELY in a spiritual way is the only right way. Have you considered the fact that sometimes you can like a song just because you enjoy the chord progression or the harmonics? I mean, just because he liked two songs doesn't mean he only listens to this. This is what I meant by narrow-minded in the other topic by the way. There are MORE THAN ONE ways to approach music and you can actually like music that "touches" you in a deeper meaning as well as liking more "simple" stuff.

People ASKED him why he liked those songs and he tried to explain. Read their answers after that.

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Also the "my guiltiest pleasure" is a pretty perfect example that people can actually enjoy "shitty" (or whatever you wanna call it) music as well as having a "better taste".

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And yeah, I guess this is something we will never agree on so I'll just drop it now.

I never said anything about exclusivity. it's just you'd be hardpressed to find someone who thinks the more esoteric qualities of music are not the better and more important ones. if you do like music for CHORD PROGRESSIONS, there's no need to go outside of Bach's fugues, which have entire books written on them and their technical prowess.

Well I got the impression that you did, since you've been pretty negative to the people that post "shitty" music which you don't find "enlightening" enough for yourself personally. Also I might have misunderstood the word Chord Progression cause I meant the way the song is arranged chord-wise, which is basically every song so I can't understand how you think that it has nothing to do with the esoteric (I had to google this word >_>) qualities of a song whatsoever. Unless you only listen to a single drum with no tune (yeah yeah.. even a drum has a tune but whatever >_>) whatsoever that someone hits every now and then for 5 or so minutes.

And I wasn't reffering to anything technical whatsoever by this. It's kinda hard to explain a song without using these words.

Also, can you post some bands/songs you enjoy before we stop talking, cause your confident way of talking about this has sparked my interest and who knows, maybe I'm actually listening to some of it. Basically I just think you are a tad too mean about people's tastes and even though you probably don't give a shit if they stop posting about what they're listening to, some actually do.

you're right.

you do have pretty shitty taste in music.

and you're an idiot.

In spite I agree with your point, you don't shit how to handle it.

Well I got the impression that you did, since you've been pretty negative to the people that post "shitty" music which you don't find "enlightening" enough for yourself personally. Also I might have misunderstood the word Chord Progression cause I meant the way the song is arranged chord-wise, which is basically every song so I can't understand how you think that it has nothing to do with the esoteric (I had to google this word >_>) qualities of a song whatsoever. Unless you only listen to a single drum with no tune (yeah yeah.. even a drum has a tune but whatever >_>) whatsoever that someone hits every now and then for 5 or so minutes.

And I wasn't reffering to anything technical whatsoever by this. It's kinda hard to explain a song without using these words.

Also, can you post some bands/songs you enjoy before we stop talking, cause your confident way of talking about this has sparked my interest and who knows, maybe I'm actually listening to some of it. Basically I just think you are a tad too mean about people's tastes and even though you probably don't give a shit if they stop posting about what they're listening to, some actually do.

chord progression isn't about even melody so much as like CIRCLE OF FIFTHS stuff, it's pretty much theory stuff and is imho kind of BORING if necessary to know if you make music which is why it's so bizarre someone would compliment it. there isn't a musician out there who doesn't know CHORD PROGRESSION. well there are but they are your more uh DIFFERENT groups like the Shaggs. embarassing fact I am beginning to non-ironically kind of enjoy the Shaggs. I am Zappa give me your jazz instruments or I will make a mess of your pots and pans.

also I post about things I like a lot often, didn't I post a ridiculous breakdown of why DBT's great album wasn't on a list when it clearly deserved to be? I had a shortlived article series about it. I would link LastFm but I am a nice brother and let my sister listen to my songs so there's like 40 MONKEY MAJIK/100 KANYE WEST SONG listens on it so don't necessarily think it's all accurate.

http://www.last.fm/user/KidDelhi

wtf how do i have more gaslight anthem listens than tupac. i used to have an absurd tupac number.

and you're an idiot.

In spite I agree with your point, you don't shit how to handle it.

he even admitted he didn't listen to fuckall musically, don't even try this dude. I was mean but I wasn't being stupid. it is genuinely kind of amazing someone would dislike Third and then turn around and say Kanye and Chinese Democracy were innovative releases and it indicates, yeah, a failing in musical knowledge! I know you are the ultimate relativist (DONT BAN ANYONE is one of your popular forum arguments because you think everything is dissenting opinions) but most of us dwell in reality you know where if you don't say "christ dude you can't think this" and insist on some kind of hugbox where everyone's opinion is equal and knowledge, context, history, depth, none of that matters it leads to very boring discussion.

DEATH MAGNETIC: ALBUM OF 08???????

Sweet dude, gonna check it out :P
I agree that looking at a song purely by the way it's built up (melodies, chords, lyrics and beats) is pretty "soulless", but that's kinda what happens to you if you mostly hang out with musicians; you get over-analytical. I mean, after I've heard something that immediately clicked and moved me, I get the urge to need to know how the musician managed to capture the spirit.. by, yeah.. breaking down the song to chords, melodies, lyrics and all that "technical" crap. I've never listened to rap cause I don't understand it lol, but maybe I'll give it a try someday.

DEATH MAGNETIC: ALBUM OF 08???????

Yes lol, I know. It's been a slow year for me. You should check out Anna Ternheim though, she's pretty cool. Everything (lyrics, music, even the goddamn pictures in the booklet) about the latest album is perfectly matched with the mood she tries to portray (spelling) :P

this is a great post about 2008's perception of hiphop: http://www.cocaineblunts.com/blunts/?p=1677#more-1677

in short:

No Jeezy (whose OMG! RECESSION! hook was almost tailor made for the pitchforkian “we like rappers who are smart but not smarter than we are” perspective) or Killer Mike (he of twelfth best single of 2006 fame) or Gucci Mane (who should’ve been this year’s Cam’Ron to people whose entire relationship with hip hop entails laughing with/at? it) or Z-Ro (who wallows in misery and self doubt better than any of the unwashed white folks who made the Pitchfork list). Not even The Fucking Roots (who put out a better album this year than all the other ones they put out in the ~eight year period when non-rap critics were fawning over them.) And yeah, The Mixtape About Nothing was cute, but not even Wale would try to tell you it was the second best rap album of the year. [2]

But none of these acts need Pitchfork love. With the exception of maybe The Roots, it’s not like pitchfork kids were actually buying these types of records or going to those artist’s concerts, apart from their one off date at the Knitting Factory. Jeezy and Gucci will survive. Street rappers will always have the streets. [3] The artists who truly suffer from this are the old guard yackpack true school hip hoppers, the type of rap artists that indie rock listeners were jamming back when they were still talking down on people who listened to Lil Wayne. The type of artists whose only source of media attention were such so-called forward thinking or alternative publications.

Thes One, of perennial indieground favorites People Under The Stairs [4], made an interesting post on soulstrut recently, the gist being that, while their new album Fun DMC [5] is well on its way to selling 10k, it hasn’t received a lick of press. Not even from XLR8R, a magazine I had just assumed covered People Under The Stairs exclusively, is returning their calls. As semi-deserved as the “hey gangsta/southern/poor people rap is smart after all” critical movement of recent years was, it’s now having something of a scorched earth effect on hip hop coverage in non-rap and half-rap publications.

no I think he's a musician. I swear he's posted in MC before. he might genuinely enjoy CHORD PROGRESSIONS, I don't think it was a dodge!

what the hell who says a song is good because of the chord progressions?

btw from what i've heard of Chinese Democracy, it has completely generic chord progressions, very little use of dissonance, and it is really very mediocre and predictable in almost every aspect. instead of having slash ejaculate over minor pentatonic psuedo-shredding now it's just buckethead jacking it to chugga chugga power chords.

if you want interesting chord progressions and use of dissonance go listen to big black or sonic youth, not GENERIC 80S BAND TRYING TO MAKE A COMEBACK

most of us dwell in reality you know where if you don't say "christ dude you can't think this" and insist on some kind of hugbox where everyone's opinion is equal and knowledge, context, history, depth, none of that matters it leads to very boring discussion.

I'm not saying you can't do that. I do this.
I'm saying the way in which you and several others do this is reproachable.

watch it pal your glass house cant take many more rocks.

get out of here dada. all the old black men died last year there were no albums for you.

@Ryan:  

On a happier note:
@Magical Negro: Firewater seem awesome of what I've heard so far (not much >_>) so I hope it's not your sister's band lol. Listened to Three Legged Dog and I don't know whether I should love it or hate it cause it's awfully accurate. Did they make all albums while travelling through countries or is it just the "The Golden Hour" album? >_<

omg dats cool i didnt know they had released an album in 2008 (also its mariam) but i really like dimanche a bamako so getting their new album.

haha you wad it was a fake post. whats funny is they hold the top position on metacritic but dr. thorpe was all "they are old blind musicians from mali and if this album doesn't do well they will return to a country where they have lived past the average death rate are you going to give them a bad review"

also as I said if you are truly fascinated by CHORD PROGRESSIONS there's really no need to advance beyond classical and jazz. Chinese Democracy looks like steaming horseshit next to Messiaen or Monk.

also I dont even remember posting about Firewater. I remember finding out about them in 2004 and then forgetting all about them till early 2009.