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i've never heard anything about an atomic shield. what is that? some sort of missile defense thing?
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i've never heard anything about an atomic shield. what is that? some sort of missile defense thing?

i was being retarded, the shield pertains to india and pakistan.

and basically we promised india nuclear assistance should pakistan go there. hence the term; nuclear shield.

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Israeli troops move into Gaza

Here we go again.
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Fuck man... this upsets me so much. In the past on GW, I've expressed my full out opinion on this thing and its just down right pathetic, sad and is criminal. I have been to numerous protests already, and have actually wrote an e-mail to the PM to stop the support of the Israeli government's quest towards genocide and their numerous upon numerous human rights violations and violations of the UN's charter. Absolutely pathetic how they're getting away with committing state terrorism and committing genocide.. And this has happened for many, many decades already. I have some friends in Palestine and can only hope that they're okay.

The other shitty thing is despite all the suffering and massacre of all of these innocent Palestinian people, Israel still won't allow humanitarian groups to send aid to help them. Also, I'm not sure if this is still the case but has Egypt opened its borders up yet to allow Palestinian refugees to flee into Egypt? Or are they still restricting it to foreign officials and citizens? Because this is pretty fucking pathetic and downright inhumane as well..

My brother was apart of the Islamic Relief Foundation and within 3 days, they raised more than $200,000 USD (Last year though they raised about $450,000 USD within a few days). They have to somehow get this to the Palestinian people before their condition worsens..

There are many, many Jews out there who also condemn the state terrorism and genocide committed by the Israeli government and that's great to see... I know that a lot of my Jewish buddies went out to all of the anti-war protests and condemned them for their criminality:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgvPwXa0Hfs&feature=related

Along with Jews against this massacre, there are also rabbi's as well. Here is a facebook group:

http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#/video/v...8593&ref=nf

Official website (Orthodox Jews united against zionism):
http://www.nkusa.org/



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(This speech was originally delivered in Durban, South Africa by Rabbi Y D Weiss)

May our words be pleasing to the Creator and cause His Great Name to be sanctified.

Assalaam Aleikhum:

The world stands aghast as the atrocities being committed by the Zionist regime in Gaza, becomes known in ever greater and shocking detail.

Mere words are insufficient to express the pain that all mankind feels at the plight of the Gaza and Palestinian people.

For over one hundred years, they have been subject to a carefully conceived plan, to drive them from their homes and their land.

Throughout their history, the Zionists have resorted to intimidation, war, ethnic cleansing and state—sponsored terrorism to achieve their goals.

This is, has been and continues to be, the criminal agenda of the Zionist movement. But among this movement’s greatest crimes, is that it has claimed to carry out these nefarious actions in the name of holiness, in the name of the Almighty, in the name of Judaism and the Jewish people !!

This is a wicked and monstrous lie !!

It is a desecration of our religion !!

Judaism forbids and rejects Zionism and the existence of the State of “Israel”. We have been expressly commanded by the Almighty that we are forbidden to have our own sovereignty in this heavenly decreed exile, we are also forbidden to rebel against any nation. Torah believing Jews, under the leadership of the most esteemed rabbis of the 20th century have always opposed and fought against Zionism and ultimately the State of “Israel”.

Unfortunately in recent years the Zionists have succeed in seducing and co—opting members of the religious community and some rabbis into support of not allowing the return of the rightful owners, the Palestinian people, to their land, by fear mongering, by appealing to their worst fears, that there is a religious conflict and that the Arabs always have had an ingrained hate for the Jews. Especially, they claim, that because of the many years of the existence of the State of “Israel”, if the Palestinians where to return to their land, they would massacre the Jews, may the Almighty protect us.

Anyone familiar with the ploys and techniques of the Zionist State is aware of this fact.

Before the advent of Zionism, Muslims and Christian, Arabs and Jews, lived peacefully together in the Holy Land, as in all the Muslim lands, — Ask your grandparents! — They remember those peaceful days! And in fact it is here the opportune time to thank all the Muslim countries for their extraordinary friendship, hospitality and safe haven that they have provided to the Jewish people throughout the ages!

The Zionists rely on the Bible, the Torah, for their imaginary right to ethnically cleanse the Palestinian people and to subjugate them. This is a pathetic joke! The Zionists have always been heretics and rejected all the fundamental tenets of our faith, and yet they have the nerve, the arrogance, the audacity, the chutzpa, to pretend to base their behavior on our holy Torah.

We know what our holy writings and our great rabbis have taught us — that we are forbidden to subjugate or oppress anyone or to desecrate the holiness of the Holy Land with paths of violence, ethnic cleansing, discrimination and military power. Our religion teaches justice. It teaches peace. It teaches compassion. In fact, the greatest and ultimate hope and prayer of the Jewish people is, that when the Messiah comes that then “Nation shall no longer lift up sword against nation, and they will make war no more.” All nations will serve God together in peace.

To the governments of the world, it is not through your support of the Zionist regime — the State of “Israel”, that the Jewish people are being helped! On the contrary, this tragic historical mistake has led to the killing of Arabs and Jews alike. The governments of the great powers, by supporting the State of “Israel” are not only harming the Palestinian people but they are also unwittingly contributing to the growth of hostility towards Jews worldwide!

To our Jewish brethren, we beg! Do not be intimidated by ruthless Zionist bullying and violence!! — Proclaim loudly and clearly your outrage, pain and sympathy for the people of Gaza and that those who show contempt for the Torah, the teachings of our rabbis, and disregard the ethical and moral basics of our faith, have no right to speak on behalf of the Jewish People or Judaism!

We must tell the world that self rule, sovereignty and ALL the rights of the Palestinian people, must be restored throughout historic Palestine! This is a requirement of Jewish ethics and values! Jewish justice demands the return of the Palestinian refugees to their homes, towns, villages and cities throughout Palestine! Tell the world, loudly and clearly, that you support Palestinian statehood over the ENTIRE Holy Land —— not despite your Jewish identity, but because of it.

To our Islamic brethren – let us speak up for the people of Gaza and please do not judge the Jewish faith or its people, on the basis of this passing lunacy of Zionism. The Jews have always been your friends and cousins. Do not allow your understandable anger to be directed at those who are innocent of wrongdoing, regardless of whether they reside in Occupied Palestine, Europe, or anywhere around the globe.

Together, people of all nations, may we be worthy, with God’s help, speedily and peacefully, without further suffering and bloodshed of anyone, be it Arab or Jew, to witness the peaceful end of the Zionist occupation over every inch of Palestine.

And may we yet merit to see, in the very near future, the revelation of the One God, over the entire world, with all mankind in His servitude, in joyous brotherhood.

AMEN

Let’s Proclaim Together:
FREE GAZA – FREE PALESTINE
JUDAISM YES ZIONISM NO !

This is crimes against humanity people... Its got to somehow be stopped.
Last Edit: January 03, 2009, 09:47:02 pm by Revolutionist
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spain wasn't a solely muslim country, there was a like north(xtian) south(muslim) divide.

While Islam didn't force conversion it did persecute against non-islamics with taxes and such during the crusades period, so many did convert to that but also converted because it was a much more peaceful religion than thuoght, and society/culture was was so much more advanced than the christian. Also yeah the christian's were kinda weird in that while they faught againt the arabs they were far more civil to them than they were the jews. They were treated as sub-humans, while the christians and arabs got along fine during the truces(well not 100% fine, but it was pretty stable).

ok i'm coming in a little late but unless i've misunderstood the context or some shit with what you're talking about i don't see at all how you could say this! it's my understanding that Islam definetly used violence and threats of death to enforce conversion. at least that's what i have always taken away from school, but maybe all that's wrong? are those claims exaggerated or something? \

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ok i'm coming in a little late but unless i've misunderstood the context or some shit with what you're talking about i don't see at all how you could say this! it's my understanding that Islam definetly used violence and threats of death to enforce conversion. at least that's what i have always taken away from school, but maybe all that's wrong? are those claims exaggerated or something? \

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Well... you have quite a distorted view if you believe that. For starters, I suggest you watch the movie 'Kingdom of Heaven' to see how exactly the Muslims acted when they ruled Jerusalem, and they co-existed with the Jews and Christians. Even though its just a movie, its a good starting point. As long as the tax called 'Jizya' was paid, then they could co-exist in harmony.

Also, this is crazy. What a brave girl:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOjf9u4UaQ0
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Well... you have quite a distorted view if you believe that. For starters, I suggest you watch the movie 'Kingdom of Heaven' to see how exactly the Muslims acted when they ruled Jerusalem, and they co-existed with the Jews and Christians. Even though its just a movie, its a good starting point. As long as the tax called 'Jizya' was paid, then they could co-exist in harmony.

Also, this is crazy. What a brave girl:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOjf9u4UaQ0

kingdom of heaven is a terrible film and not historically accurate at all, not that your point doesn't have merit
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yeah man what the fuck it's really hard to take KINGDOM OF HEAVEN seriously as a reference :(

but i appreciate the reply and i hope i made it obvious i was pretty unsure about my prior convictions. guess that's just some more white rivisiionist histoire for you amiriteorwhat!!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOjf9u4UaQ0

oh my god this is such a great video.
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My God, she is brave.
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i bet us military commanders wish they could get away with killing civilians like the israelis do
Last Edit: January 04, 2009, 04:44:45 pm by Wash Cycle
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Meh.. I just wanted to use the movie as a starting point but yeah its historically inaccurate, although the movie does portray how the Muslims would treat the Christians once they took over Jerusalem pretty accurately. The actual events and what happened though in the conflicts is not accurate. I thought that maybe a movie would be a good starting point for you and its a good movie to watch but like Truth said, its inaccurate... But realistically, you have to do your own independent research from unbiased sources and get first hand information from people that have been living there and getting kicked out of their homes, their families killed, their mothers and daughters raped, etc. (for example, in Gaza) and this is how I get the truth of what is really happening there.

Honestly though, in highschool this shit is so biased and tainted by western propaganda bullshit (CNN, Fox News, etc are the worst though). Last spring before I graduated University, my upper elective was on Issues in War and Peace and that was a great course. My professor knew all about the conflicts in the Middle East, he's lived there and had a very unbiased opinion on it. He had first hand experience on what's been happening there... It was a great and knowledgeable course... But yeah, just watch out where you form your opinions on things. Just wanted to give the movie as an example because its something that I thought that you'd enjoy watching, while at the same time seeing how the Muslims and Christians co-existed in Jerusalem when Salahudeen took over.
Last Edit: January 04, 2009, 04:53:56 pm by Revolutionist
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Well... you have quite a distorted view if you believe that. For starters, I suggest you watch the movie 'Kingdom of Heaven' to see how exactly the Muslims acted when they ruled Jerusalem, and they co-existed with the Jews and Christians. Even though its just a movie, its a good starting point. As long as the tax called 'Jizya' was paid, then they could co-exist in harmony.

Also, this is crazy. What a brave girl:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOjf9u4UaQ0

sorry bud islam is just as terrible of a religion as judaism or christianity.
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I remember having that fight a long time ago and then feeling bad because Muslims get so much shit anyways.
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yeah but he's one of the few guys left who still goes around in threads saying MY RELIGION IS THE PARTY RELIGION.
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sorry bud islam is just as terrible of a religion as judaism or christianity.
same god different system of worship

this is how religious scholars in 2000-3000 years will see this shit
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Ryan: Gross over-exaggeration about the party religion thing. I say good things about my religion because I am proud of it. I converted over from Christianity and I can clearly see the difference between the consistency and morals in Islam compared to Christianity (This is only my opinion obviously - other peoples' may differ like people converting over from Islam). Now, I had this argument many times in the past and I'm not gonna get into it again because everybody is entitled to their own opinion so for both of our cases, its futile. So no point in getting into this mess again..
Last Edit: January 04, 2009, 07:29:50 pm by Revolutionist
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Islam is just christianity with an extra prophet, just like xtianity is jeudaism(and this is according to most muslim scholars!). Any percieved massive gap in morals is total bullshit propaganda that you've baught into. They just see Muhammed as like the final prophet with the completed story.
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