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#161 January 24, 2009, 03:52:51 am

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That’s right, you have the young gaming with the old(er), white people gaming with black people, men and women, Asian countries gaming with the EU, North Americans gaming with South Americans. Much like world sporting events like the Wolrd Cup, or the Olympics will bring together different nations in friendly competition, (note the recent Asian Cup; Iraq vs. Saudi Arabia, no violence there) we come together. The differences being, we are not divided by our nationalities and we do it 24-7, and on a personal level.

We are a community without borders and without colours, the spirit and diversity of the gaming community is one that should be looked up to, a spirit and diversity other groups should strive toward.

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#162 January 24, 2009, 05:18:36 am

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#163 January 24, 2009, 05:24:03 am

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Quote from: Ryan on January 24, 2009, 03:37:45 am

yes climbtree kids wanting candy for breakfast and workers wanting fair pay for their labor is definitely equatable. thanks for another outstanding climbtree post.

thanks for a fantastic ryan post where you show you haven't read the topic you just wanna lock it L.O.L.

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Wouldn't the people actually doing the work essential for the function of the University be the best ones to decide what their labor is worth?

No, this is a dumb idea.
Q: How much money do you want?
A: All of it.

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#164 January 24, 2009, 06:13:07 am

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Quote from: climbtree on January 24, 2009, 05:24:03 am

No, this is a dumb idea.
Q: How much money do you want?
A: All of it.

If you think the idea of workers setting the terms of their employment and collectively deciding what they consider just compensation through a democratic process is dumb, then there's really not much I can say other than I disagree with you considering the level of discussion here.

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Farren

#165 January 24, 2009, 07:38:02 am

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these guys have the degrees or whatever is necessary to work at the university right? Apparently yeah, because the university hasn't hired a new staff yet. They have every right to strike because they are needed and hard enough to replace. If they weren't, then this wouldn't be an ordeal.

What are you STUDENTS going to fucking school for? To get a goddamn degree so you'll be needed! Thats why McDonalds can afford to fire an entire staff and then rehire more practically the same day, because the people that work there don't have a worthwhile trade.

This is the way this stuff works: either (A) the employer fucks you because you don't matter or (B) you get to fuck the employer because you're a necessity.

DEUCE: MEETING THE URINE UP CLOSE AND PERSONAL AND REALIZING IT'S JUST LIKE ME AND MY PREJUDICES THIS WHOLE TIME WERE COMPLETELY FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF PTTTTHTHTHH GOD IT'S EVERYWHERE DEUCE: FUCK THIS TASTES LIKE PISS PANTS: WHERE IT SHOULD TASTE LIKE COTTON CANDY OR PICKLES DEUCE: OR AT LEAST LIKE URINE NOT PISS

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#166 January 24, 2009, 09:27:07 am

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I think my points are still valid. Whether it's their right or not is not questionable, the TAs have a more serious agenda then just "meeting" their intial goals of higher salaries and so on. They plan to strike with many other universities! That's the reason why they are demanding a 2 year contract only. Do you guys really agree that there should be be mass strikes? Because really, that's exactly what they are pushing for. Because York cannot give them what they are asking for and because the TAs have already soaken their feet, they're just riding it out until the end!

I'm telling you man, we'll just wait and see about what the other schools do. If the other schools go on strike and cause a massive effect on the universities, legistlations will be past to make them an essential service. York is not going to give them what they want so stop sitting there acting like these douches are "fighting" the man. Fuck, I'm 100% FOR employees but do you guys even know how unions work? They like milking shit dry just like EMPLOYERS. I looked over this and honestly I only see the students suffering the MOST.

But hey, it's their legal right, and it's very EASY for you to debate about a school you're not attending. It's not your future right?

Last Edit: January 24, 2009, 09:29:19 am by The Ghost

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#167 January 24, 2009, 10:44:36 pm

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not really man there are actually regulations and stuff set up by my union to actually stop mass striking like that.

do you really think that thousand and thousands of these TAs are going to be willing to stand out in the freezing cold with posterboards while losing their wages and not being able to support their families? This strike isn't going to last forever, its a matter of time until one side concedes or the people that own that university go out looking for more T.A.s.

We're knee deep in a recession and I'm sure the people out there striking realize that and hopefully are not dumb enough to mass strike at the moment.

DEUCE: MEETING THE URINE UP CLOSE AND PERSONAL AND REALIZING IT'S JUST LIKE ME AND MY PREJUDICES THIS WHOLE TIME WERE COMPLETELY FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF PTTTTHTHTHH GOD IT'S EVERYWHERE DEUCE: FUCK THIS TASTES LIKE PISS PANTS: WHERE IT SHOULD TASTE LIKE COTTON CANDY OR PICKLES DEUCE: OR AT LEAST LIKE URINE NOT PISS

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#168 January 25, 2009, 02:44:05 am

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Quote from: The Ghost on January 24, 2009, 09:27:07 am

I think my points are still valid. Whether it's their right or not is not questionable, the TAs have a more serious agenda then just "meeting" their intial goals of higher salaries and so on. They plan to strike with many other universities! That's the reason why they are demanding a 2 year contract only.

No shit? It's almost like.. if more of them strike.. then can wring more benefits, and higher salaries out of their employers. It's almost like.. many voices.. have more power than few voices...

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Do you guys really agree that there should be be mass strikes? Because really, that's exactly what they are pushing for. Because York cannot give them what they are asking for and because the TAs have already soaken their feet, they're just riding it out until the end!

I see nothing wrong with "mass strikes". In fact, I think a nice, big general strike or two would be a good way to give the employing class a good kick in the ass.

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I'm telling you man, we'll just wait and see about what the other schools do. If the other schools go on strike and cause a massive effect on the universities, legistlations will be past to make them an essential service. York is not going to give them what they want so stop sitting there acting like these douches are "fighting" the man. Fuck, I'm 100% FOR employees but do you guys even know how unions work? They like milking shit dry just like EMPLOYERS. I looked over this and honestly I only see the students suffering the MOST.

They're not "fighting the man". They're fighting their employers over what they feel are inadequate wages and benefits considering the work that they do. You obviously are not "100% for" the employees, nor do you really seem to know how unions work. Here's a hint: their responsibility is to their MEMBERS, not their employers, not the students, and not the public at large. Hope that helps!

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#169 January 25, 2009, 05:35:22 pm

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Ontario to legislate end to York University strike

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/toronto/story/2009/01/24/york-strike.html

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#170 January 25, 2009, 05:36:56 pm

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What exactly did the union accomplish! Other then screw students, damage York's credit reputation, and the union's own credibility?

I knew this was going to happen... Jeez.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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Just to touch up on this, two of the major parties are mostly likely going to vote FOR this legislation. The one that is stalling now is the smallest of the three. 5000 business students have been granted access to go back to school.

Last Edit: January 25, 2009, 05:40:33 pm by The Ghost

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#171 January 25, 2009, 08:13:53 pm

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Quote from: The Ghost on January 25, 2009, 05:36:56 pm

What exactly did the union accomplish! Other then screw students, damage York's credit reputation, and the union's own credibility?

I knew this was going to happen... Jeez.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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Just to touch up on this, two of the major parties are mostly likely going to vote FOR this legislation. The one that is stalling now is the smallest of the three. 5000 business students have been granted access to go back to school.

Yes, the provincial government stomping on the rights of the workers invalidates what they sought to accomplish. You're basically bragging because the government is taking a shit all over these workers. Please, fuck off and get out. Thanks.

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#172 January 25, 2009, 09:11:48 pm

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Ya you can go fuck yourself too. I TOLD you this would happen, and I'm not the one even striking. The initial strike was fine but it wasn't going anywhere. To continue striking threaten the very fact that they CAN strike. Plus the fact that they decline an arbitrator without even considering it was also not a smart move. I'm not repeating myself.

Seriously Rapty, you get the fuck out. It's not my fault they chose to continue striking when something like this was bound to happen.

So save me your sob stories, I guess I'm realistic?

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#173 January 25, 2009, 09:19:53 pm

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York University rejected a counter-offer made by the union on Friday. Tyler Shipley of Canadian Union of Public Employees Local 3903 had said the offer included "significantly" reduced demands, agreeing in principle to accept the current wage offer from York

Pardon me. But unless my reading comprehension has completely gone to shit. It looks like, (from your own article) that the union actually lowered the requested wage offer and the school STILL turned it down despite it being the same goddamn amount that THEY (the university) offered to give.

hmph

well now, isn't that a lil odd

Last Edit: January 25, 2009, 09:24:13 pm by Coxswain

DEUCE: MEETING THE URINE UP CLOSE AND PERSONAL AND REALIZING IT'S JUST LIKE ME AND MY PREJUDICES THIS WHOLE TIME WERE COMPLETELY FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF PTTTTHTHTHH GOD IT'S EVERYWHERE DEUCE: FUCK THIS TASTES LIKE PISS PANTS: WHERE IT SHOULD TASTE LIKE COTTON CANDY OR PICKLES DEUCE: OR AT LEAST LIKE URINE NOT PISS

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#174 January 25, 2009, 09:22:33 pm

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why would they even do that? oh wait, yeah.

I wouldn't be surprised if the university was actually fucking them out of wages and was just waiting for intervention this whole time.

DEUCE: MEETING THE URINE UP CLOSE AND PERSONAL AND REALIZING IT'S JUST LIKE ME AND MY PREJUDICES THIS WHOLE TIME WERE COMPLETELY FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF PTTTTHTHTHH GOD IT'S EVERYWHERE DEUCE: FUCK THIS TASTES LIKE PISS PANTS: WHERE IT SHOULD TASTE LIKE COTTON CANDY OR PICKLES DEUCE: OR AT LEAST LIKE URINE NOT PISS

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#175 January 25, 2009, 09:26:13 pm

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Yeah, the TAs got fucked in the end. Like I said I knew York wasn't going to give them a fair chance. They should have opted another way out. They had to make an example out of these TAs I guess

. Still, they did get screwed over in the end, that much is certain.

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#176 January 26, 2009, 11:19:24 am

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They could still strike illegally, engage in work stoppage/walkouts, or rally students to occupy facilities.

I know for damn sure that if I was one of the TAs I'd be looking for ways to organize and stir shit up after being fucked by the state like that.

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#177 January 27, 2009, 04:17:16 pm

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Quote from: DietCoke on January 26, 2009, 11:19:24 am

They could still strike illegally, engage in work stoppage/walkouts, or rally students to occupy facilities.

I know for damn sure that if I was one of the TAs I'd be looking for ways to organize and stir shit up after being fucked by the state like that.

TBH, I don't know if most York students would rally to occupy facilities for the TAs :-/

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#178 January 27, 2009, 06:33:57 pm

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Just a thought . . . has anyone ever wondered why at expensive schools you are frequently taught by TAs, and at cheap schools you are always taught by professors?

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#179 January 28, 2009, 12:08:14 am

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Oops, I missed this thread.
Well, I'll read up on it later. Here's my thoughts though:
There's a reason for having a Union... It's not 'fair' to the students since they're not being re-imbursed for their troubles... however the right to strike is part of your rights in Canada! If you take away the ability to strike (see: Return to Work legislation) then you, as a union member, are pretty screwed. Striking is the Big Dinger in negotiations!
If/when air canada goes on strike here (over the new contract our company is trying to weasle in place) and they force us back to work... the company can do whatever the hell they please, pretty much.

From a student POV it sucks ass.
From a union member POV; yes the faculty in York should be able to strike.

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#180 January 28, 2009, 12:11:21 am

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Quote from: maladroithim on January 27, 2009, 06:33:57 pm

Just a thought . . . has anyone ever wondered why at expensive schools you are frequently taught by TAs, and at cheap schools you are always taught by professors?

I go to an expensive school and I don't even know if we HAVE TA's (I've not met any). But we're also really small school, so that's probably why the teachers are able to do all this stuff themselves.

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