Hello Is a University Strike Fair? (Read 2237 times)

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to the faggots comdemming this. half of the classes you take, all the graded tests you get, the labs, the research that keeps your university afloat - guess who does that shit? some of these folks have families and they work ridicolous hours for a miserable wage below the janitor level so suck three hundred dicks.
Last Edit: January 17, 2009, 01:09:27 am by Marmot
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The TA's refused an arbitrator, the school was in favor of it. Of course i'm gonna bash em'.
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Get another job then! I'm serious, that's the way the world works. Their numbers and their problems are irrelevant compared to what they are doing to their peers. If they really wanted to end this then they should have opted for the arbitrator. I read up on this pretty well and honestly it was the only solution. I'm sure 100% the school would not yield because they know the TAs can not continue this sharade forever. Plus, they are setting an example that this tactic will not work and is only hurtful to the students, INCLUDING THEMSELVES!

The school president does not want to get involved, there are parents who are rallying up saying they won't let their child go there anymore, even amongst all this I'm 100% the school would not yield. There really had to be a third party settlement here.

I'm for the TAs Marmot, really, it's just I care more about the students like myself and many family & friends.
Last Edit: January 17, 2009, 01:20:09 am by The Ghost
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This is like the case of bully vs little guy again, hehe. TAs work really hard and they DO keep the school up and running at a minimal cost. With times like these though I can't see it ending pretty. The TAs are most likely going to settle for their last offer and might just be wasting their time. If they think they can accomplish something by continuing to strike then by all means they should go right ahead! I just don't want to hear any sob stories about how unfairly they are being treated because they are causing just as much hardship. This whole thing is just complicated I guess.
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Do what Israel does; missile strikes on universities.
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I'm for the right to strike. So I take the good with the bad. These people may be asses (I have no idea), but for others striking may be necessary. Restrictions should be made only to prevent the loss of life (hospital workers, etc), but certainly not due to loss of revenue for the employer or for rending the employer unable to provide a service for its customers (this would happen in every strike, so it's not really relevant). Of course, it's the employers right to persevere as well and the workers do not benefit from them going out of business or being unprofitable.
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of course it's fair. they do the work don't they?

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I'm for the right to strike. So I take the good with the bad. These people may be asses (I have no idea), but for others striking may be necessary. Restrictions should be made only to prevent the loss of life (hospital workers, etc), but certainly not due to loss of revenue for the employer or for rending the employer unable to provide a service for its customers (this would happen in every strike, so it's not really relevant). Of course, it's the employers right to persevere as well and the workers do not benefit from them going out of business or being unprofitable.

Man I guess that makes sense in a technical way but a service for its customers hardly covers possibly ruining someone's education, which would ruin their future life.  Some people are on tight budgets and can only afford to live in an area for the amount of time they will be at college.  Some people are international students that may have only been going to the school for a semester and now have wasted that semester and will graduate from their own university late.  Or they could only be able to afford being in the country for a certain amount of time and now they're expected to afford staying there for the summer.  There are countless possibilities but this is a lot different than your typical strike, this affects a LOT of people's entire futures, and these people are basically refusing to negotiate at the expense of these students.  In a technical sense it's fair, but it's really really shitty to do to these students just because they refuse to let someone come in to HELP the situation.
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at least the canadian t.a. is allowed to strike.  In the U.S., the T.A. is not allowed to strike.  In fact it is illegal to strike if you are in the association.
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oh no!

someone will be...

INCONVENIENCED!

they have every right to strike.

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a service for its customers hardly covers possibly ruining someone's education, which would ruin their future life.

approx. 0% of people will have a ruined academic life, let alone FUTURE IN GENERAL, because of this strike. most students will take classes in the summer. those who can't or refuse to for whatever reason will be able to catch up in a later summer. let's get into that later.

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Some people are on tight budgets and can only afford to live in an area for the amount of time they will be at college.

go home when the university is closed. whoaaaaa. they knew this strike was coming. you would know this if dulcinea had linked, you know, an article instead of GOOGLE.

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Some people are international students that may have only been going to the school for a semester and now have wasted that semester and will graduate from their own university late.

this is not a big deal. first off after your first job NO ONE will care about if you graduated a semester late. secondly, if there was ever a justification? this is it. MY COLLEGE CLOSED DOWN BECAUSE OF STRIKES. interviews are for this very reason!

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Or they could only be able to afford being in the country for a certain amount of time and now they're expected to afford staying there for the summer.

same thing again, INTERVIEWS ARE TO EXPLAIN EXACTLY THIS. so what did you do this semester you weren't in school? school was closed!

basically "p...poor students" is kind of bullshit as those same students would not have a class to go to without TAs, grad students, and contract professors teaching them and supplementing them. being all "sigh their education stupid strikers" is ignoring the fact that these people are integral to their education!

do you think strikes work when the customer base can IGNORE THE STRIKERS? do you understand what striking is even about? of course theyk new students would be affected, if they weren't then there'd be no fucking point to striking. this is to show the university their value; without these guys, they have to shut down.
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this is pranab. he should be in class learning fluid mechanics. hes not. hes injecting horse into the veins near his testicle instead.

because of a strike pranab has no future...

give pranab back his future...
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the striking workers were correct in refusing an arbitrator. They've made their demands clear, the only purpose arbitration could serve would be to undermine them.
Last Edit: January 17, 2009, 02:46:56 am by DietCoke
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Magical N, I linked google so people could see a range of sources and articles regarding the situation since there are too many and any particular one I linked could be biased.
Last Edit: October 29, 2010, 06:12:34 pm by Dulcinea
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the striking workers were correct in refusing an arbitrator. They've made their demands clear, the only purpose arbitration could serve would be to undermine them.

That's not entirely true, the arbitrator can review the TAs proposition and still validate it. You're right though, the act of consulting an arbitrator could very much have them regretting that they have done so in the first place. But to completely deny it is not the best option in my opinion. The TAs can plea their case on better grounding with a third party. As it stands, they are opting to deal with the party directly, and forcibly (by legally striking), and trying to make a difference on their own.

I'm not arguing that the strike is wrong, they have every right to strike since it's legal. However, the school took steps to solve the problem and cooperated with other resolution ideas. In the school's perspective, they are arguing that the TAs demands are unattainable at this particular moment in time (especially with the economy bloopers). York spends a shit load of money on construction and building modern facilities and I have personally seen where a lot of their money goes. They made them an offer in which they can "afford" and the TAs said that wasn't enough. Infact, during a few negotiations, the representative of the TAs just stormed out of the building. It's really annoying that meetings are either cancelled or abruptly ended before anything is even discussed. I hope the very best for the TAs but they are increasingly difficult and are not budging from their initial requests. They are not wrong for doing this as you guys said but I don't think they see that the school has no intention of giving them what they want.

Steel your 100% right in the fact that the TAs can strike. But I think you're severely down playing the affects this has on the students.
Last Edit: January 17, 2009, 03:49:26 am by The Ghost
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i think i dont care about the effects it has on students as a strike that HAD NO EFFECT ON STUDENTS would not be a strike at all.
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also as dulcinea decided a scatter shot of op-ed articles was a better representation than finding a single factual one, I can't be sure of this, but if this was legal arbitration it is NOT mediation. arbitration means you must agree with whatever the "judge" rules. this is the premise behind Judge Judy and shows like that. you can get it overturned but it's very difficult.
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make the TA position voluntary
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That's a pretty bad argument Negro. Obviously the strike HAS to effect the students to be considered a strike. I was refering to the jumbled up "Do this do that" solutions you came up with, it's not that simple for a lot of people. As for the arbitration, so what? If the arbitration is FOR the TAs then the school has to comply. It's a gamble but it's better then what they are doing now and it will swiftly end the situation.

As I've said, York TAs get the most money out of any school in Ontario. That means that York is setting the standard cap. They can't suddenly increase their wages because the other schools will ask for the very same. So each party is making a statement, which essentially means no one is going to budge.

I say bite the bullet and move on man, I've would have totally taken this offer. I would assume a middle ground decision would be made anyways.
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It's a gamble but it's better then what they are doing now and it will swiftly end the situation.
you don't really get it at all man...

have you ever been in a union or had to work low paying jobs support yourself in your life?
Last Edit: January 17, 2009, 04:18:27 am by DietCoke
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Unions arn't always in the right. Somethings gotta give in this, and the school doesn't seem to want to give in something else to pay the TA's.

Especially since no school, no matter the size is allowed to close down, and all schools are being slowly taken over by the provinces. For instance there was an offer by the government to school boards, they get a piece of this pot thing and if they take it they have to keep their budget set to (?) years ago, and they can't increase it, if they didn't comply then they wouldn't get anything.
Last Edit: January 17, 2009, 04:34:27 am by Boulvae
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