Topic: Is a University Strike Fair? (Read 2237 times)

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unions are all run by the mob.
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those people wanting decent wage, fuck em. Shoulda gone to a high class uni like I am.
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fuck if i haven't said it before but i make under 600 dollars a month/live on my own and am putting myself through college, does it not make sense that i would think these fuckers are being selfish? These are not educated jobs, most of the people i know who drive busses and stuff in off time are either still in college or are teachers (if it's a school bus) or have some other part time job (if any other kind of bus), or they're really old asshats. there's no reason they should be getting like SALARY amount of money for the relative ease their job is. i would gladly sign up, take the fucking license exam and do their job for half what they make. How is are they even able to do this without other people willing to take over?

those people wanting decent wage, fuck em. Shoulda gone to a high class uni like I am.
not like a lot of them are high school dropouts and also giant douchebags, but also i'm not going to a high class anything i'm going to a community college, but really all the transit jobs around here are really easy to get into if there's an open position and will often pay for your license exam, what's different in canada?
Last Edit: January 19, 2009, 09:22:53 pm by Alec
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yeah dude what you apparently DO NOT GET is that not only are the workers losing money by going on strike but the union itself is losing money too.

They don't hold a meeting and then go, "I think we should strike again this week because I want another $0.25 and those little shit head students are getting on my nerves". its a group effort between alot of people that wouldn't bother doing it unless they really needed to because they are losing money in the process.

but this is from MY union experience I don't know much about the teacher unions but I imagine they aren't that different


EDit: wait is this over BUSES are you actually bitching because some broke ass bus drivers are striking don't tell me that is what this topic is about.


please do not tell me that this topic is full of people bitching because they can't ride a public bus to school. AHAHA wow I thought it was teachers so you actually couldn't go to school. But, its just the drivers? man, why is this topic even open?
Last Edit: January 19, 2009, 09:39:18 pm by Coxswain
DEUCE: MEETING THE URINE UP CLOSE AND PERSONAL AND REALIZING IT'S JUST LIKE ME AND MY PREJUDICES  THIS WHOLE TIME WERE COMPLETELY FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF PTTTTHTHTHH GOD IT'S EVERYWHERE<br />DEUCE: FUCK THIS TASTES LIKE PISS<br />PANTS: WHERE IT SHOULD TASTE LIKE COTTON CANDY OR PICKLES<br />DEUCE: OR AT LEAST LIKE URINE NOT PISS
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THEY'RE OLD AND DUMB I COULD DRIVE A BUS

DEUCE: MEETING THE URINE UP CLOSE AND PERSONAL AND REALIZING IT'S JUST LIKE ME AND MY PREJUDICES  THIS WHOLE TIME WERE COMPLETELY FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF PTTTTHTHTHH GOD IT'S EVERYWHERE<br />DEUCE: FUCK THIS TASTES LIKE PISS<br />PANTS: WHERE IT SHOULD TASTE LIKE COTTON CANDY OR PICKLES<br />DEUCE: OR AT LEAST LIKE URINE NOT PISS
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nah it was originally about TAs, but it got on a tangent about some other random busses. like i said i don't ride abus, but still.

i would also point out that TAs should be expected to be working random classes at multiple schools and that they are also JUST COLLEGE STUDENTS. my point is these jobs are supposed to be just odd jobs and shouldn't be expected to be "our job..."

and bus drivers shouldn't get to pick their own schedule fuck them.
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fuck anyone that does and got money for it because a bunch of people believe a bus ride is a right

rosa parks..

heh.. gotcha, racist.
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THEY'RE OLD AND DUMB I COULD DRIVE A BUS


did you completely gloss over the part where i said I PERSONALLY KNOW PEOPLE WHO DRIVE BUSSES WHO ARE NEITHER OLD NOR DUMB and aren't bitching about wages and shit because seriously?
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do you not understand that SOME PEOPLE DO IT FOR A LIVING?

so you know even though that might not be YOUR personal choice or your friends those people still have a right to make a decent living? oh wait no they don't because that might inconvenience you for a few days...
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you can make a decent living at under 60,000 a year. lots of people do it.

EDIT: Also how many times do i have to say that whether or not the buses run has absolutely no effect on my life whatsoever?
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did you know starbucks will fire you if they catch wind you are unionizing, it was a big deal about a month back, the IWW did a pretty big protest.

yup! and wal-mart has shut down at least 1 store, and 1 auto garage in Canada because they unionized.

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That's almost $60,000 a year for a job which is really supposed to be a ~22-30~ yr old person's job (at least in the states, public transit drivers are either really old assholes or mid-twenties college students or like band members who are supplementing).

Please tell me where 30+ year olds are supposed to work, then? The factory work that is increasingly being outsourced or done by machines? The office work that requires a university education (that a lot of people can't afford!) or really, really good connections? You seem to have this impression that people can just find high paying jobs growing on trees, or that they otherwise deserve to starve in the streets or something!  Again, workers deserve whatever raises they are willing to FIGHT for. The idea that some jobs are undeserving of decent wages because they're don't require education or "aren't hard" is classist bullshit!
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dude I don't know where the hell you're coming from either have you ever driven a buss or a big ass truck? Those fuckers are pretty tough to learn how to drive and driving is alot of responsibility, especially in a city as big as Toronto or any city that requires them as public transit.
Last Edit: January 19, 2009, 10:47:18 pm by Coxswain
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how am i classist? I SUPPORT MYSELF FOR LESS THAN 600 DoLLARS A MONTH. I LIVE IN A HOUSE WITHOUT HEAT AND EAT ONE OR TWO MEALS A DAY. The fact that these people already make more than enough to support themselves and a reasonably sized family is my entire point. my dad is the only one working in his house he has a wife and two kids to support (my stepbrother and half-sister) and he does it on about 60,000 a year while my stepmom flitters away spending on stuff she doesn't need. how is 60,000 not enough?
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you're classist because there's no education requirement and you manage to occasionally drive a car, you assume driving a bus every day regularly and dealing with the shit your average bus driver does is easy.
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how am i classist if they make a lot more money than me and have more food/heat than i do? I bought a car for 800 dollars. it's spraypainted white and occasionally struggles going up hills. i have no other choice than to drive because i live in an area where there's no public transit and is ~30 miles from my job and ~40 miles from my school.
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also shit the average bus driver has to deal with is pretty comparable to shit the average fast food lackey has to deal with but also get paid a lot more.
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i'd like to reiterate:

"But along with the supervisors, managers and professional staff on the $100,000 list were 41 operators (subway train and bus drivers), 12 coach technicians, three transit special constables and two station collectors."

i'm sorry but i don't think there's any justification for operators or station collectors to earn $100,000 a year. HARD EARNED DOLLARS my ass.

btw, we're paying almost $3 for a bus ticket. it used to be like 2 bucks a couple of years ago and they hike it up like 10-15 cents every time and it adds up. do you really believe bus drivers should be paid upwards of $29.33/hr??

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see also: Israel topic where everyone who has been to Israel has argued ITS OKAY THEY KILLED CHILDREN or whenever we have a topic about abortion and a bunch of virgins rant about their right to deny women the right to choose.

why are you even bringing this up here? it has nothing to do with anything. DON'T LIKE THE WAGE THOSE BUS DRIVERS ARE GETTING? YOU'RE AGAINST ABORTION!!!
Last Edit: January 19, 2009, 10:55:34 pm by FlowerPower
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classism doesn't mean you have to shit on the poor, it means you can say they deserve to be poor and aren't.

in addition your average bus driver can kill somebody by following the law even. the other day it was in the news that a car swerved in front of a bus, it stopped, and the guy in the back rearended and died. sorry I think the threat of possible lawsuits on your person when some old guy keels over with a heart attack and no one notices is a little bit worse than "someone pooped on the floor".

especially when a lot of people shit on buses all the time.

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why are you even bringing this up here?

gw gets hilariously conservative at the most random shit unless its WEED and even that is a conservative opinion LESS GOVMENT you aren't so stupid you missed that and are trying to do a HEH DID YOU CONSIDER thing and ignoring I know these forums to an embarassing degree and it's funny as shit how if it hadn't been for me and a few other people who probably heard from the same sources I did you would all be drinking the Ron Paul koolaid.

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i'm sorry but i don't think there's any justification for operators or station collectors to earn $100,000 a year

here is the justification: they do something. most CEOs do not and take home millions and bilk investors and have perks like you wouldn't believe.

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do you really believe bus drivers should be paid upwards of $29.33/hr??

yep. I believe everyone who does a job that I wouldn't do should get to live comfortably.

ps you can keep quoting something but maybe linking the article might help as you keep posting it and not saying where it's from.

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btw, we're paying almost $3 for a bus ticket.

FUCK WE'RE ALL DEAD! ALMOST 3 DOLLARS!

grey poupon mustard is four dollars. you are complaining about less than a jar of mustard.
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hardworking folks can't make good money, only CEOs and investors can! that's how things work pidge. strikes are cool and trendy unless they effect me, then they are outrageous!!
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i don't rememebr what article it was from, I posted that on my facebook back in april when the actual strike was going on, i got it from some large thread about the ttc strike on SA where most people were arguing against it, w/e.

FUCK WE'RE ALL DEAD! ALMOST 3 DOLLARS!

grey poupon mustard is four dollars. you are complaining about less than a jar of mustard.

Right, now say I have to go somewhere then back home then downtown then home again. that's 4 bus tickets - $12 already. it gets pretty damn expensive daily especially when you have to use it so frequently.