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Alec

#121 January 19, 2009, 11:15:57 pm

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anyone driving anywhere is in danger of killing somebody. i've had people run out in front of my car, and anyone driving a bigger pick-up truck could kill someone in a smaller car who jumped out in front of them. it's not as lethal as A BUS but there's also relatively few instances where even a bus accident occurs.

most people don't use two jars of mustard a day and also i don't know for sure if you said it before, but i'm pretty sure harry did that fast food managers are pretty pathetic when often do a lot more than a station operator and don't make near that much.

average fast food lackey's duties:
-take orders
-pack orders
-cook food
-make prep
-do all of the above in a timely manner
-have customers yell at you/spit in your face/assault you with your own food
Average Pay: minimum wage to 7.50/hr

average shift supervisor's duties:
-all lackey duties
-count inventory
-count safe
-assign registers
-count down money in all registers
-deal with complaints
-take calls
average pay: between $10-20/hr

Assistant manager's duties:
-all shift duties
-assign schedules
-work week is at least 50 hours or else dips into vacation hours, no overtime awarded
-minor clerical stuff
Average Pay: $20,000-35,000/yr

RGM:
-all assistant duties
-more clerical stuff
-job security rests on hands of employees
Average Pay: $35,000-50,000/yr

i could go on but these fuckers do a lot and get payed less idon't see why you're trying to justify this.

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RYAN: 60,000 A YEAR IS GOOD MONEY IT'S NOT EXTRAVAGANT SPENDING GOOD BUT IT'S GOOD MONEY. MY DAD IS A REGIONAL MANAGER AT A FASTFOOD RESTAURANT AND MAKES ABOUT THAT AND HE OFTEN WORKS 13 HOUR SHIFTS HE WORKS HIS ASS OFF AND MAKES THAT MONEY I DON'T SEE WHAT YOUR POINT IS

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Artis Leon Ivey Jr

#122 January 19, 2009, 11:45:58 pm

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they should unionize and get paid more my point is jealousy over the fact they unionized and some other industry didn't is just dumb.

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Ryan

#123 January 19, 2009, 11:47:16 pm

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just an fyi you can't unionize at places like fast food chains or walmart or w/e. they made it explicitly clear that you would be fired if you did. here in virginia at least they don't need a reason to fire people so unions are effectively nulled anyway.

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Alec

#124 January 19, 2009, 11:49:19 pm

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my point is that they're pushing for more than is necessary for comfortable living conditions and that's greedy. it's like if you help someone out moving one day and they offer to buy you lunch for the help and you say they should take you out for steak or else you'll never help them again. a lunch would be nice, but a steak would be a whole lot more and you're being a greedy little bitch.

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rapty

#125 January 19, 2009, 11:53:50 pm

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Quote from: Ryan on January 19, 2009, 11:47:16 pm

just an fyi you can't unionize at places like fast food chains or walmart or w/e. they made it explicitly clear that you would be fired if you did. here in virginia at least they don't need a reason to fire people so unions are effectively nulled anyway.

The best resistance to things like that is a strong labour movement, which outside of a few industries, is severely lacking in North America.

Quote from: Alec on January 19, 2009, 11:49:19 pm

my point is that they're pushing for more than is necessary for comfortable living conditions and that's greedy.

"Greedy" is wanting to drag them down to your level, instead of being dragged up to theirs! Hope that helps!

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Right, now say I have to go somewhere then back home then downtown then home again. that's 4 bus tickets - $12 already. it gets pretty damn expensive daily especially when you have to use it so frequently.

Then buy a pass. A $3 fare isn't anywhere close to ridiculous.

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Ryan

#126 January 19, 2009, 11:59:40 pm

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The best resistance to things like that is a strong labour movement, which outside of a few industries, is severely lacking in North America.

yeah, no kidding. the south especially is very anti-labor, we have shitty right to work laws and the area is largely conservative. not to mention places like wendys and walmart show these anti-union half hour videos when you get hired there that demonize unions.

it's surprising how even the people the unions would largely benefit are still so anti union.

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Alec

#127 January 20, 2009, 12:07:44 am

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Quote from: rapty on January 19, 2009, 11:53:50 pm

"Greedy" is wanting to drag them down to your level, instead of being dragged up to theirs! Hope that helps!

no fuck i don'tk now what you're talking about! I don't want to drag anyone down! I support unions in general, but taking more than you need is greedy. i think athletes/whatever and ceos are grossly overpaid, and i stand by my assumption that 60,000 is more than enough for the average family to live comfortably off of. you don't need more than that, so by taking more you're being greedy.

like i said earlier, i agreed with the writer's strike's motives back when it happened, and a lot of strikes/union activity is good, but the bus drivers who are already making more than enough money are not striking responsibly, because they don't FUCKING NEED IT.

EDIT: also what the fuck the reason i'm even working so hard is because i'm trying to make myself into something TRYING TO DRAG MYSELF UP TO THEIR LEVEL but when i get there i'll be satisfies instead of bitching about it.

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Artis Leon Ivey Jr

#128 January 20, 2009, 12:13:41 am

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okay so you think ceos and athletes are grossly overpaid but I haven't seen you ever make a DOWN WITH THE BOURGEOUSIE VIA LA VIE BOHEME (I made a few in this topic!) style posts so apparently you aren't that concerned with them and saying FUCK....BUS DRIVERS is more important than pointing out the massive rich poor gap that necessitates the creation of unions.

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Alec

#129 January 20, 2009, 12:19:44 am

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that's cause this topic was about union shit and the ceo stuff was just rant points idk and i tend to stay out of SPORTS TOPICS because i don't find any entertainment in them, but irl whenever i hear something about X ATHLETE'S SALARY I have always said something about it. I hate people who do nothing and get paid gross amounts of money for it, but i also don't support asking for more than you need.

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Farren

#130 January 20, 2009, 12:28:01 am

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dude I would never say that most any athlete "does nothing" but yeah they're generally grossly overpaid but actors can be really really overpaid.

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Alec

#131 January 20, 2009, 12:37:29 am

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yeah i know i put athletes/actors in the same category, they do something, i meant CEOs do pretty much nothing.

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The Ghost

#132 January 20, 2009, 02:12:49 am

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Haha, here in Canada a lot of people just quit and move on when they have problem at work. In the U.S, I know a hell of a lot of people that file lawsuits left and right against their employers and still stay at their job, GOOD LUCK MOVING UP!

Well, that's just one thing I noticed. How does that even work? I wonder how the small talk by the water cooler is with the managers.

Employee: Hey, what are you guys laughing about?

Managers: *Whisper* I'll telll you guys about later...

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#133 January 20, 2009, 05:02:46 am

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Quote from: Alec on January 20, 2009, 12:07:44 am

no fuck i don'tk now what you're talking about! I don't want to drag anyone down! I support unions in general, but taking more than you need is greedy. i think athletes/whatever and ceos are grossly overpaid, and i stand by my assumption that 60,000 is more than enough for the average family to live comfortably off of. you don't need more than that, so by taking more you're being greedy.

it may sound reasonable, but who are you to tell workers what they ought to earn?

wouldn't a decision like that best be left to the people doing the work themselves? You can stand by any arbitrary salary limit you want, but if workers know that they are producing a value higher than what they are being paid for(i.e. there is surplus value being extracted from their labor power) then they have every right to demand just compensation for the full value of what they're producing. Profits be damned, this is what class struggle is all about.

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Blitzen

#134 January 20, 2009, 03:50:55 pm

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I once heard a hypothesis from a libertarian political scientist that a union is a result of a lack of personal trust and individual compassion from both sides in the agreement between an employer and their employees. As such they are a social disease like crime, being a manifestation of the moral shortcomings of the people involved.

I'm not saying I hold to that view or anything, but I thought I'd just post it here to ... provoke.

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Artis Leon Ivey Jr

#135 January 20, 2009, 04:30:45 pm

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Quote from: Blitzen on January 20, 2009, 03:50:55 pm

I once heard a hypothesis from a libertarian political scientist

this more or less means idiot btw, the cato institution is a big disgusting joke in the political science community. they aren't hardcore socialists either but your average poli sci person knows about, oh, GLOBALIZATION, which most libertarians are afraid of. soooo don't pay attention really.

here is how to shut this hypothesis down:

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a union is a result of a lack of personal trust and individual compassion from both sides in the agreement between an employer and their employees.

enron.

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Artis Leon Ivey Jr

#136 January 20, 2009, 04:42:53 pm

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actually here is why you cannot trust corporations: they are legally not allowed to help you.

In 1916 the Ford Motor Company had a surplus. instead of wanting to give it to the minority shareholders, Ford wanted to redistribute it through the company. as in increased salaries and more factories and cheaper cars. the minority shareholders took him to court. what Ford did not realize is that in 1886 the Supreme Court defined corporations as having all the rights but none of the reponsibilities of PEOPLE. so guess what the SC said to Ford? he was legally obligated, not even morally, LEGALLY, to make the rich richer. here's the wikipedia:

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The Court held that a business corporation is organized primarily for the profit of the stockholders, as opposed to the community or its employees. The discretion of the directors is to be exercised in the choice of means to attain that end, and does not extend to the reduction of profits or the nondistribution of profits among stockholders in order to benefit the public, making the profits of the stockholders incidental thereto

that means every single corporation is legally obligated PRIMARILY to get money for the people in charge. they are not supposed to give it to the employees.

no one should ever trust a corporate entity. if you do you're a damn fool.

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Dulcinea

#137 January 21, 2009, 01:31:16 am

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Not everyone in the union wanted to strike, magical n, it was about 500 out of 1500. And they are from the highest paid TAs in our entire province. They're striking against a non-profit university, and locking hundreds of thousands out. It's not a minor inconvenience, its people who can't afford it (students and working shmos) losing minimum $5000 education that they've paid for out of THEIR hard work and jobs with minimum wage hourly rates. Plus students who don't have much of a chance to get the education again, because they're here as international students whose visas will expire, or (given the circumstances in some countries) will be going home to be forcefully enlisted instead of bettering themselves. That's not an INCONVENIENCE. And we're not raging republicans- first of all because we're Canadian, and we don't have republicans, and secondly because even though they're workers and I'm all for workers rights, there are times when people are just WRONG. It's not the case in every strike situation, but this strike situation is terrible.

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Artis Leon Ivey Jr

#138 January 21, 2009, 01:38:16 am

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hey you know fuuuck you anyways because I don't give a shit I'm not clicking through twenty google links because you're either so abysmally lazy you're not going to provide a single fact based article about the event so you can take that HEH DID YOU KNOW attitude and shove it up your ass! you've got flowerpower doing the same grassfucker routine. here three can play at that game:

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"I'm going to fuck every single employee," the dean of the university said in a statement last week. "I will rape their women, and then sodomize the men. Then I'm going to fuck a baby.

Union head Dudley DoRight expressed horror. "We just want to stop letting him use our money to fuck babies! Why do you want to fuck babies? They aren't even lubricated!"

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The Ghost

#139 January 21, 2009, 01:44:44 am

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He's magically delicious.

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Steel why are you debating about an issue you know nothing about, looool.

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Dulcinea we need some linkz.

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Bye

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Artis Leon Ivey Jr

#140 January 21, 2009, 01:53:34 am

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what, fuck her dude. no one outside of this area in Canada will be carrying articles about this (and is it a coincidence of the top three the first google result is old and the other two are editorials against the strike?) but instead of giving us a link that would be updated EVER she tells us to constantly google it like anyone on this forum knows which news sources are trustworthy in Canadian affairs, and then if anyone post something heh pal here's a fact you forgot but that I'm hoarding just to get a worthless jab in. oh no! only a third! guess the other two thirds were passionately against it which is why when it came to a vote they decided against it oh waaaait nope.

no one else on this forum gets away with HEH THIS IS SOMETHING and then not linking a news article unless it's something they just heard on TV.

lets not forget the dumbshit WERE NOT REPUBLICAN HEH DIDNT U KNOW? THERES NO CONSERVATIVE FUCKWITS IN CANADA!

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