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Sredni Vashtar

#441 February 23, 2009, 09:47:48 am

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when you do enough math problems you begin to see patterns and start thinking a certain way. The process of thinking as applied to a math problem can translate quite well to real world situations.

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Yeah, I loved San Andreas, but it was just such a black game. :x Like. Eh, I dunno, it was all so frickin' black, and I enjoyed the atmosphere of Vice City more.

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Vellfire

#442 February 23, 2009, 01:16:04 pm

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Yeah, but that same thinking doesn't have to be learned JUST through calculus AT ALL, so it's not a very good argument for why calculus itself is important.

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#443 February 23, 2009, 01:19:28 pm

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heres my OP on the subject

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Sredni Vashtar

#444 February 23, 2009, 01:49:17 pm

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Quote from: Velfarre on February 23, 2009, 01:16:04 pm

Yeah, but that same thinking doesn't have to be learned JUST through calculus AT ALL, so it's not a very good argument for why calculus itself is important.

Quote from: Sredni Vashtar on February 23, 2009, 09:47:48 am

when you do enough math problems you begin to see patterns and start thinking a certain way. The process of thinking as applied to a math problem can translate quite well to real world situations.

And no calculus is not critically important for every person, but there's no DOWNSIDE to knowing it. If you can write down an equation describing a system you can determine pretty much how any of the variables about it changes relative to anything else under any conditions, which is immensely useful in many, many applications.

Last Edit: February 23, 2009, 01:51:09 pm by Sredni Vashtar

Quote from: Christophomicus

Yeah, I loved San Andreas, but it was just such a black game. :x Like. Eh, I dunno, it was all so frickin' black, and I enjoyed the atmosphere of Vice City more.

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Vellfire

#445 February 23, 2009, 01:52:22 pm

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I didn't really mean that towards you only, but more towards

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what the fuck man. i do think calculus should be optional not like in mexican highschool where they drill that shit to you and it makes a shitton of people dropout. but saying is worthless for anyone except engineers is being a dumb philistine along the lines of how some engineers say literature is worthless. it teaches you to think analytically and most important of all, to make a crystal clear argument. simply because my career is based on rigurorous proofs i can see what is a muddled pseudoargument (debord......) and what is a real argument. the skills learned in rigorous mathematical derivations are pretty universal and can be applied to most arguments. (wittgenstein was a mathematician lol)

this is completely an argument about why CALCULUS itself is important, that is more what I was replying to, i agree with you about math in general making more sense with that argument, but math isn't calculus

edit: also this is dumb as hell:

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"calculus is worthless gonna do something more worthwile" *goes and plays videogames*

all everyone was saying is that calculus doesn't have many real world applications to the average person

Last Edit: February 23, 2009, 01:54:21 pm by Velfarre

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Sredni Vashtar

#446 February 23, 2009, 02:04:24 pm

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Quote from: Velfarre on February 23, 2009, 01:52:22 pm

all everyone was saying is that calculus doesn't have many real world applications to the average person

You could say the same thing about algebra, but it makes life a whole hell of a lot easier if you work with numbers to any extent.

Quote from: Christophomicus

Yeah, I loved San Andreas, but it was just such a black game. :x Like. Eh, I dunno, it was all so frickin' black, and I enjoyed the atmosphere of Vice City more.

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Kaworu

#447 February 23, 2009, 02:43:42 pm

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most people never work with numbers to the point where they need complex equations.

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#448 February 23, 2009, 02:47:09 pm

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of course not you faggot but most people dont recite poetry or think about sociological implications. the point are not the equations but the skills and insights you gain. jesus you are all a bunch of philistines

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JORGE_LUIS_BORGES_A

#449 February 23, 2009, 03:03:13 pm

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wittgenstein was no mathe,matician

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#450 February 23, 2009, 03:03:32 pm

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he was an aerospace egineer

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#451 February 23, 2009, 03:04:29 pm

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math is important
lit is important
science is important
knowing stuff is important

learn as much as you can

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#452 February 23, 2009, 03:05:12 pm

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topic_owned

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Kaworu

#453 February 23, 2009, 04:16:48 pm

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Marmot you're a dummy.

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Bobberticus

#454 February 23, 2009, 05:46:31 pm

now that's what I'm talking about
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Quote from: Saleop on February 22, 2009, 12:35:37 am

saying that -4^2 = (-4)^2 is just lazy and careless math.

Not really, it seems like a much more logical way of interpreting it to me, so without any formal instruction telling me otherwise, that is how I see it.

fuck it all, dd is dead

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Lars

#455 February 23, 2009, 05:54:07 pm

Fuck off!
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Quote from: The Octave Doctor on February 23, 2009, 02:43:42 pm

most people never work with numbers to the point where they need complex equations.

most people live worthless lives

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#456 February 23, 2009, 05:56:51 pm

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Measuring worth of life huh? You don't use math in you're daily life your life is worthless

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Alec

#457 February 23, 2009, 06:00:54 pm

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You don't know how to change your own oil? Pft. No different then road kill

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Lars

#458 February 23, 2009, 06:07:56 pm

Fuck off!
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is that you steel?? did u change ur name again???

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Vellfire

#459 February 23, 2009, 06:11:05 pm

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i know how to change my own oil but i just don't

actually i haven't done it in years so i probably forgot how but i have learned this skill at some point

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#460 February 23, 2009, 06:50:44 pm

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Oh shit I just learned about this shit

about the parenthesis and shit

holy shit. I got it wrong! Touche.

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