I voted 16, thinking -4 * -4 = 16. I read the responses here and yeah, it's not something my teachers ever told me about. I've heard PEMDAS and "the square of a negative is a positive" quite a few times though.

I don't want to argue with half of the forum really, but by this logic if you want it to be -1(4^2), you say -1(4^2).

How is it -1(4^2) by the same logic? That's a different operation already. I just simply meant that even though you could assume it's (-4)^2, it's not because... it's not. I'm not saying you can't assume that and it's easy to get it wrong especially if you have been taught it the wrong way (or not taught at all) but just assuming it's (-4)^2 doesn't make it right.

or then i completely misunderstood your post because im not really sure what you are trying to argue exactly.

EDIT: Or I'm not completely sure if you'd call it different operation but even so, -4^2 is not lazy math because someone doesn't know how to count it. For example, 1+2*3^2 isn't lazy because you don't type it as 1+(2*(3^2)).

I think the OP just needed something to wank off to.

coxswain, you should have hit the club with us tonight.

nothing man, i wanted to be one of those guys that knows how to do math


but even steel knew how to do it..

even steel

everyone knows integration dude. i'd be shocked if there was a single member apart from S4D or something that can't do it.

no it's not, the order of operations acronyms just put mutiplication/division and addition/subtraction separately so you know they exist, it's really, in PEMDAS because that's the one i know:
Parentheses, Exponents, (negation apparently), Multiplication and Division, Addition and Subtraction