sweet lets send some people to jail!!

yeah i fully expect them to drop this on some lower level guy and get him to dismiss it

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22425001/vp/30377447#30377447
Olbermann challenges Hannity to get waterboared, do you think he will accept the challenge?

Christopher Hitchens tried it and only lasted about 10 seconds...it's crazy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LPubUCJv58

hey just to confirm something because when i first found out about it it surprised the hell out of me and then made perfect sense:

It's been proven time and time again, information squeezed through torture is not reliable information.

like it's pretty stunning how even as kids we're taught that torture will make people say the truth but think about it. you're high enough up that you know something, why the hell would you tell the truth? they WON'T KNOW anyways. and if it's true or not you'll be killed either way.

like it's kind of shocking to me when you think about it but I wonder if there's ever been an example of torture where the information gathered couldn't have been gained in another way. I don't even mean peacefully or non-violently, it's just you realize it's the dumbest thing ever.

that was a good movie

Rupert Murdoch won't have his man being a pussy on national television.

So even if he does it he'll prolly last awhile because they'll cheat. I hope that motherfucker has a heart attack though for being so stupid.

Olbermann challenges Hannity to get waterboared, do you think he will accept the challenge?

I would love to see that asshole get waterboarded and they should do it to him at least six times in one day.  That's the average number of times they did it to Khalid Sheikh Mohammed during the month they did it to him.  I'd love to see him claim it's not torture after that.

man he would. he would say NAH IT WASNT THAT BAD. come on guys, this media stunt is still a STUNT do you really think these people do not have horrible cognitive abilities.

I've never found out who said it but:

"If a conservative is a liberal mugged by reality, it seems clear the experience was so traumatic that the victim can't bear to face his attacker ever again."

this torture shit is going down man. shit is leaking left and right.

he's also not sean hannity who has built a career out of people who actually pay him to deny this stuff! hannity will say it's unpleasant, he wouldn't want to do it, but torture...

heh ask a SOLDIER what torture is. or a REAL AMERICAN.

I mean that's my prediction. maybe he'll tell the truth. maybe he'll even go against torture; even the hardcore Republicans seem to be getting on that tip. but it's still a stunt at the end of the day. the real fact (that despite every single bit of evidence to the contrary, people like Sean Hannity will advocate the worst shit in the world) remains unchanged.

I've never found out who said it but:

"If a conservative is a liberal mugged by reality, it seems clear the experience was so traumatic that the victim can't bear to face his attacker ever again."

Norman Podhoretz, if I remember correctly.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/whitehouse/

bump with a "white house 'photostream'"

some of the photos are pretty cool

Souter retiring from the Supreme Court.


Honestly I would have thought Ginsburg or Stevens would have been the more likely candidates to step down given their ages.

if only clarence thomas or scalia would retire. i hate both of those guys so much