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Ryan

#241 July 29, 2009, 04:13:01 am

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well i wasn't really referring to the bailouts of the financial sector. they actually had some good proposals when the bill was first introduced but everything worthwhile from the bill was stripped and pretty much all that was left over was money being shoved up rich peoples asses

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#242 July 29, 2009, 03:16:02 pm

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Today on TWITTER I decided to respond to some guy I didn't know who said health care wasn't defined as a constitutional right. I told him education isn't a constitutional right either, and yet the vast majority of Americans believe that everybody should have access to it, and asked him if we should abolish it.

He first called my question stupid, then said that education is a shining example of "gov't failure on all levels".

I know next to nothing about education in America, but I know there seems to be a general consensus that it needs fixing of some kind, so maybe someone here could explain to me exactly what's wrong with it?

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Evangel

#243 July 29, 2009, 03:28:27 pm

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Well, here in Florida, the FCAT (Florida Comprehensive Assessment Test) exemplifies poor education and government corruption on many levels.

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Farren

#244 July 29, 2009, 04:45:52 pm

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yeah they basically spend all their time and efforts forcing kids to memorize and learn shit solely to pass a shitty standardized test that in turn gains the school or district more money based on the overall grade the school gets after the testing. So you don't have kids learning to learn as much as learning to gain the school money and reach some stupid fucking education quota.

You have this going on up into highschool and college is another thing all together because if you aren't an achiever or don't have a rich family you're pretty much fucked when it comes to a higher education in the states unless you want to work and grind your ass off to pay for an education to even start out on a level playing field in life.

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Evangel

#245 July 29, 2009, 04:59:29 pm

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Not to mention the company that runs and grades FCAT is lining our state politicians' pockets. Thanks for being corrupt as shit, Jeb.

What's fucked up: Florida kids in grade school aren't being educated so much as they're learning how to ace this test. I remember several classes where FCAT test-taking skills dominated the entire curriculum.

So the schools that invested in all of this preparation material (I wonder where that money goes?) do better on the tests and thus get allocated more funds. Schools that ignore the test and focus on, say, teaching an actual curriculum, could end up getting shut down because their kids didn't spend all year thinking about this test. The bottom line is money and policy, and our childrens' education comes second.

I've met many great teachers and administrators that curse this test, my mother included. The people that implement this aren't skilled educators, they're policy makers that have no idea what's going on in our grade schools.

Last Edit: July 29, 2009, 05:10:40 pm by Evangel

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Farren

#246 July 29, 2009, 11:38:48 pm

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f*ck the childrem I know waht is the bvest

- jeb bush

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#247 July 30, 2009, 04:33:11 am

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Quote from: Dada on July 29, 2009, 03:16:02 pm

Today on TWITTER I decided to respond to some guy I didn't know who said health care wasn't defined as a constitutional right. I told him education isn't a constitutional right either, and yet the vast majority of Americans believe that everybody should have access to it, and asked him if we should abolish it.

He first called my question stupid, then said that education is a shining example of "gov't failure on all levels".

I know next to nothing about education in America, but I know there seems to be a general consensus that it needs fixing of some kind, so maybe someone here could explain to me exactly what's wrong with it?

they teach you stuff you don't need to know lol

Dok Choy

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#248 July 30, 2009, 05:11:45 am

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Quote from: Dada on July 29, 2009, 03:16:02 pm

Today on TWITTER I decided to respond to some guy I didn't know who said health care wasn't defined as a constitutional right. I told him education isn't a constitutional right either, and yet the vast majority of Americans believe that everybody should have access to it, and asked him if we should abolish it.

He first called my question stupid, then said that education is a shining example of "gov't failure on all levels".

I know next to nothing about education in America, but I know there seems to be a general consensus that it needs fixing of some kind, so maybe someone here could explain to me exactly what's wrong with it?

it's ok but I'm in one of the smart states :doom:

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Ryan

#249 July 30, 2009, 01:55:51 pm

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Quote from: Doktormartini on July 30, 2009, 04:33:11 am

they teach you stuff you don't need to know lol

are you 15 man

i quit hearing "why do we have to learn this? its not like we need to know it!" in like 9th grade

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Wash Cycle

#250 July 30, 2009, 04:47:48 pm

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the american primary and secondary education systems make you feel like you live in a fascist state

only one interpretation of everything is accepted and critical thinking is discouraged

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#251 July 30, 2009, 04:48:53 pm

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i must have gone to a pretty good school then. i don't think it's significantly worse in, say, the northeast than europe. it's mostly the south that drags our ratings way down since the education here is pretty fucking bad

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That’s right, you have the young gaming with the old(er), white people gaming with black people, men and women, Asian countries gaming with the EU, North Americans gaming with South Americans. Much like world sporting events like the Wolrd Cup, or the Olympics will bring together different nations in friendly competition, (note the recent Asian Cup; Iraq vs. Saudi Arabia, no violence there) we come together. The differences being, we are not divided by our nationalities and we do it 24-7, and on a personal level.

We are a community without borders and without colours, the spirit and diversity of the gaming community is one that should be looked up to, a spirit and diversity other groups should strive toward.

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Ryan

#252 July 30, 2009, 05:01:36 pm

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Quote from: Wash Cycle on July 30, 2009, 04:47:48 pm

the american primary and secondary education systems make you feel like you live in a fascist state

only one interpretation of everything is accepted and critical thinking is discouraged

this is a pretty good summarization of why education in the usa is so bad. everything is like a multiple choice test, only one right answer

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Evangel

#253 July 30, 2009, 05:02:36 pm

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Quote from: Wash Cycle on July 30, 2009, 04:47:48 pm

the american primary and secondary education systems make you feel like you live in a fascist state

only one interpretation of everything is accepted and critical thinking is discouraged

In some cases, yes. But I always had a few really great teachers who really got us questioning things and dispelling ignorance among us. My American Government teacher was a real nut, and his entire class consisted of him getting all fired up about how Bush is raping the U.S. and why marijuana should be legal. He taught us the word Neocon and we learned how corporations are basically corrupt by definition. He preached libertarianism all day, but it was a fresh perspective on things. Of course, I had a few other good teachers that were much more well-rounded.

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#254 July 30, 2009, 05:42:06 pm

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Wash Cycle

#255 July 30, 2009, 05:52:34 pm

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Quote from: Evangel on July 30, 2009, 05:02:36 pm

In some cases, yes. But I always had a few really great teachers who really got us questioning things and dispelling ignorance among us. My American Government teacher was a real nut, and his entire class consisted of him getting all fired up about how Bush is raping the U.S. and why marijuana should be legal. He taught us the word Neocon and we learned how corporations are basically corrupt by definition. He preached libertarianism all day, but it was a fresh perspective on things. Of course, I had a few other good teachers that were much more well-rounded.

well yeah I had some really good teachers in high school as well, but for every english teacher who teaches mythology by using joseph campell and for every history teacher that uses howard zinn you've got 5-10 others who would prefer just to lecture out of their McGraw-Hill (tm) textbook and have the students do worksheets to make sure they gleaned all the pre-approved sanitized censored and brainwashing details from the book without any discussion or encouragement to analyze the information being presented

and on top of that the education system pays its educators such a low salary and has such low standards for its employees that even among those teachers who are free thinking, there is likely something flawed in their thinking anyways because if they really knew what they were talking about they would be academians, not high school teachers

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Evangel

#256 July 30, 2009, 06:03:45 pm

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I know what you mean. Those teachers had zero impact me. I don't even remember their names or faces. The ones that were out there to really make a difference will probably stick with me for a lifetime. I really should go back and tell them what a good job they're doing, because it would probably make their day. As for the softball coaches out there teaching World History According to McGraw-Hill and passing out hall passes to cheerleaders all day, I don't know, fuck em.

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Farren

#257 July 30, 2009, 11:52:07 pm

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Quote from: Evangel on July 30, 2009, 05:02:36 pm

In some cases, yes. But I always had a few really great teachers who really got us questioning things and dispelling ignorance among us. My American Government teacher was a real nut, and his entire class consisted of him getting all fired up about how Bush is raping the U.S. and why marijuana should be legal. He taught us the word Neocon and we learned how corporations are basically corrupt by definition. He preached libertarianism all day, but it was a fresh perspective on things. Of course, I had a few other good teachers that were much more well-rounded.

oh man he was great

I wish I knew the shit that I know now back then, that class would've been hilarious

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Ryan

#258 August 09, 2009, 01:51:37 am

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bump i've been hearing a lot of rumors similar to this:

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Just today I read a story about the likelihood that Chiquita Brands (the old United Fruit Company) and the Dole company did not want Manuel Zelaya to raise the minimum wage in Honduras because it would affect the fruit companies' profits. So they pulled an old play from their corporate imperialist playbook and with assistance from the ever-ready CIA, helped oust Zelaya in a coup.

anyone have any information on it?

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Evangel

#259 August 09, 2009, 01:56:45 am

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holy fuck, if chiquita staged a coup, that's crazy. it's one thing when nations get overzealous in their foreign relations, but a damn fruit company?

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Ryan

#260 August 09, 2009, 01:57:47 am

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C.R.E.A.M man

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