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whoa..pwned me there.

actually no, you just cemented the fact that you're a terrible member and no one really likes you at all. i'd rather have no morals (if the bible is your standard for morality you're dumb as fuck anyway but yeah) than have terrible teeth and make the worst music on the planet. go fuck yourself.

whoa.. that was a bit harsh. i'll pray a lil extra hard tonight for forgiveness.

also mkkmypet a question: if your sister had died would you have also attributed it to divine intervention?

actually no, you just cemented the fact that you're a terrible member and no one really likes you at all. i'd rather have no morals (if the bible is your standard for morality you're dumb as fuck anyway but yeah) than have terrible teeth and make the worst music on the planet. go fuck yourself.

i'd rather have no ethics than a bad haircut.

also in terms of OBJECTIVE MORALITY the bible as a source  makes a lot more sense than pretty much anything else?

thou shalt not murder *wipes out a whole city*

the bible is full of contradictions, advocates slavery, and represses women. so nah.

even if that's true where are you getting your morals that hasn't done this to a far greater degree?

ahahahaha what? this is why the bible is the best because if you believe it then they're not arbitrary, anything without a basis as firm as CREATOR OF THE UNIVERSE SAID SO is much more arbitrary.

and i'm not a racist but people are hypocritical all the freakin time

im not gonna argue climbtree posts cuz i dont know which are reall or climbtrolls however.....

when christians talk abouit how their morality is objective or no arbitrary they are wrong because the bible was written by men and that is a fact that is why it has awful shit like stoning people to death or saying women shouldnt talk over a man. beyond anthropological considerations ethical arguments are kindof stupid because matters of principles are non argueable

*wittgenstein*

the bible is a stupid source of morality because men wrote it, that's why i base my morals on men. if there's objective morality then matters of principle are arguable! even if they're not objective they're still arguable.

the best way to deal with trolling is to talk about what you want anyway so this is irrelevant!

i think climbtree is my favorite member

whoa.. that was a bit harsh. i'll pray a lil extra hard tonight for forgiveness.

also mkkmypet a question: if your sister had died would you have also attributed it to divine intervention?

see this is what i'm talking about. first dietcoke says christians are arrogant and then he says "what no i never insulted you". but now ryan and dietcoke are both just being sarcastic and making fun of things that i believe. to answer your question, well... what do you mean by divine intervention? i guess i'll just say this. whether my sister had lived or died, i was prepared to accept that it was part of god's plan for her and for all those who know her. i think it's not really "divine intervention" because i think that pretty much everything is part of god's plan. his will be done, y'know? it's not like he just came down for one moment to look in on this situation and intervene; he's always watching over people.

wait let me say this before i forget it. i'm not saying GOD SAVED MY SISTER FROM DYING. i mean, that IS what i'm saying but not in the way you people are thinking of it. i'm saying that the my sister's friend who gave her CPR and the other people in the apartment who carried my sister to the car and doctors who hooked her up to machines and monitored her... those were all the ones who saved my sister. but ultimately, i'm saying that i believe god was the one who made it happen. he's the CREATOR OF THE UNIVERSE to me guys. he created all those people and inspired the technology that saved my sister. i'm not saying "WAHAA MAGIC! SHE LIVES!" is what happened. why can't something be a medical miracle AND a religious miracle? you may say "people die and are resuscitated all the time pshh not a miracle" but hey i would consider it one. it still seems pretty amazing to me and even to the doctors who were there. my sister was very blessed (or "lucky" if you prefer that term) to survive.

so yeah anyways. as for "medically dead" i think maybe what i mean is like "legally dead"? my sister had a ventilator tube down her throat to make her breathe; i don't know much more than that. however, what i know is that for the entire time between when she passed out and when they got her to the hospital (which wasn't all that close to the apartment), my sister hadn't gotten any oxygen. the doctors told us that when the friend had done CPR, it actually had not worked in opening up my sister's airways, and she did not receive oxygen (or at least not very much at all) until she got to the hospital. but by the time they had even gotten the ventilator in her throat, they thought she was dead. she wasn't breathing and her heart had stopped (but it may have actually just been severe arrhythmias). they did what they could to get her back (and this is the point the called my house to tell my parents that she was "in bad condition") but they decided she was dead. in total, the time she had no oxygen or anything would be about 40 minutes. she woke up eventually and the ventilator that they had in allowed her to breathe.

also i agree with what climbtree said. "this is why the bible is the best because if you believe it then they're not arbitrary, anything without a basis as firm as CREATOR OF THE UNIVERSE SAID SO is much more arbitrary." you guys need to keep in mind that i do believe god is the creator of the universe and that the bible is HIS WORD, which he instructed his followers to write down. i'm going to use that as my standard for morals, because i think it's way better than saying "heh i'm a pretty reasonable person i can decide what's good and bad." because i'm sure there's been plenty of people who thought they were reasonable and then they went on to say "KILL THE JEWS" or "RAPING LITTLE CHILDREN IS A-OKAY". i want to trust someone who's perfect, not myself. i know that i can make bad decisions and do things that are obviously wrong. god has instilled in people a sense of right and wrong to begin with. even as children, we naturally sin. we need to be told how to do what's right. that's why kids (and people in general) will often feel guilty over sins that they were never even told were bad. people naturally do bad things, and are naturally sinful. this is my view. for one reason, because it is what is in the Bible. for another reason, because the evidence and experiences that i have seen prove this more than that people are good. i know people are corrupt, so i'll trust the creator of the universe to watch out for me and guide me.

Since the New Testament, though, it teaches more of relying on your own moral compass than a massive tome of rules.  That's why Jesus was depicted as having no qualms with healing on the Sabbath or sympathizing with prostitutes and con artists. 

i dont care about quote wars you can google whole annotated bibles and theres some awful shit in the new testament. the point here is that it was written by people

Can you guys stop being assholes and stop doing this religion attacking bullshit.

i don't know if i'd rather have cancer than be rone rivendale but i'd definitely go as far as severe eczema

I like to pretend that I'm not 25 years old and still living with my parents and I haven't had a decent job in 5 years. I like to pretend that I can get a date that isn't signed onto a chat room on the inter freaking net. I like to pretend that I don't have a huge nose and messed up teeth and look like a barber pole with hair. Oh yes, I LOVE to pretend. Wouldn't you if you were me?! ..... how's that for emotion Songfight.