Hell is probably best described as eternal spiritual agony due to an absence of god's love/presence.

uh i hate continuing this religion derail even though mkkmypet kind of should have known she was asking it but the bible does describe as literally a lake of fire too. like there's physical pain.

sure the great pain is supposed to be no god at all but i bet it hurts too.

double checking and it seems like on judgment day yes people are cast into a pit of fire.

oh i see what youre saying.  tbh from all the imagery i kind of pictured hell to be both physical and spiritual torture

How could it be physical torment when you're no longer of the flesh? I don't think anyone actually belives that fire and brimstone shit unless they're children.

to be fair 40 minutes is....quite a while.

Sure, there have been longer cases too. Its not probable in that most people in that situation are done for, but its not outside of the realm of plausibility in that her revival is not defying natural laws or anything.

its actually 100% in the realm of plausibilty in that it happened and coma victims wake up all the time. 40 minutes is a rad amount of time tho. i could get laid on that shit. or just get some killer lines

*spits out blood* fuck you artis...cough...you're a dead man, you hear me?
i already been dead *kills guy*
you're...devil...himself...
aint worse en me in all of hell
go and look *POW*

Steel, biblical literalism is for retards. You know this.

I am kinda biased here speaking from what was taught to me by them catholic nuns. I guess if you asked some tambourine shaking performance pastor that are big in the south then you'd get that whole evil guy with a pitchfork causing you physical pain in a lake of fire schtick

who's to say you're not of the flesh?

They go to great lengths to differentiate the spiritual from the physical. That's why things like masturbation and sex and gluttony get demonized because they are earthly pleasures of the flesh is left behind when you die.

also maybe this is TV MED SHOWS but i just assumed they called it after like 5 minutes.

it depends. first off if you have a DNR obviously they dont do anything. then there's the various ways you can "call" someone dead. you have brain dead, in which case no you don't get them off life support until family says something. but what we have here is actually not a case of brain or even physical death from what I'm reading. it seems as though her heart and lung failed but they got an AED to restart the heart and a ventilator. she probably did not have much ACTIVITY during this time but saying she was dead is like saying someone who is comatose is dead; technically accurate but not what you're thinking of.

basically i think they had a "corpse" hooked up to a ventilator and life sustaining machines that kept her alive, not that she was just a body under a sheet. mkkympet can clarify this but that's my guess.

if your sister came back 40 minutes from being completely unhooked of all medical treatments it sounds more like the hospital was negligent and mislabeled her than that God came and gave her the breath of life, honestly. that's a really rare circumstance although as I said it happens occasionally.

Steel, biblical literalism is for retards. You know this.

i know but it's in the bible dogg. you can't just say HELL IS NOT KNOWING GOD and not also point out this is an interpretation (admittedly the one everyone holds). if you believe in judgment day you believe bad souls go into a fire.

heaven and hell is silly. it's just a concept to make people less scared of death.

also yeah this is specifically mentioned in the Book of Revelation, one of the books of the Bible that deliberately says FUCK METAPHOR THIS IS WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN, yeah I'm going to say the lake of fire is definitely something that's part of Christian mythos unless you reject Revelation!

also yeah this is specifically mentioned in the Book of Revelation, one of the books of the Bible that deliberately says FUCK METAPHOR THIS IS WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN

Where did it say that? I've always been taught that revelation should not be read literally. I'm certain that the catholics have an allegorical approach to writings on the apocolypse and whatnot.

I don't trust any protestant literalist bullshit, that's a one way ticket to young-earth crazy town.

Fuuuck you
Nobody is making fun of her in here.

With your help and the help of others like you, satan can be the winner.

Are u man enough for the challenge?

i'm just skimming this shit but mkk no one asked why YOU didn't notice your sister did heroin for that long they asked how your FAMILY didn't notice

it's p. bad if you do not notice your daughter is DOING HEROIN

Idk, some people are good at hiding it. I recently had a friend who shocked his roommates by checking himself into rehab for H and nobody had a clue.

I guess parents should play a bigger role or whatever, but sometimes things just don't turn out that way for whatever reasons.

i'm just skimming this shit but mkk no one asked why YOU didn't notice your sister did heroin for that long they asked how your FAMILY didn't notice

it's p. bad if you do not notice your daughter is DOING HEROIN

thanks for teaching us about parenting velfarre.

also no you are all wrong, if your church believes in the literal truth of Revelation, ie eschatology at all, your church also believes in the lake of fire.

if they don't (and btw I'm surprised to hear many of you say yours DON'T, I was under the impression leftbehind evangelicals were on the rise but I suppose most don't focus on it anyways) then of course hell and heaven can be as metaphorical as you want.

I am actually really surprised most of your churches did not have a literal sense of Revelation. I was actually under the impression most had THAT as literal if nothing else.

I'm uh

not actually sure how you can take it metaphorically in a lot of places? that's kind of what I thought was the weakest part of most Christianity, that book. like Job can be a parallel but even if you take the Beast as THE NWO or whatever there are still things that need to happen for it to be an accurate metaphor like the white horse etc has to be SOMETHING.

hmm on looking it up apparently many churches believe Revelation to have already been fulfilled but they seem to be in the minority.