"This can not be. This is not a woman, it's a man. She does not have the power of a woman and no woman has such a technique," Tzoref said. "She serves like a man. It's very strange."

Schlomo Tzoref deserves to be found drowned in a puddle of his own urine. What a horrible thing to say.

Imagine what would happen if someone proved Federer had a vagina. "He can't play with the real men! The girly moans are really distracting!"

Bloody misogynists.

yeah, this is pretty ridiculous. she should be able to play among the women. even if she did have extra testosterone from her genetic disposition, you can't automatically remove those who are biologically better built for some sports. like for instance builds of swimmers and gymnasts. it would be ridiculous to say that michael phelps can't swim because his build is too efficient for swimming.

i do realize that the biology of sarah gronert and michael phelps are different issues because hers is on the border of defining the game type that she plays... but i just feel like it would help if people looked at it with less stigmata.

I know it helps but fuck a lot of people in sports have unfair advantages.  That's part of being fucking human.  Sports is retarded if you're leveling the playing field, who's to say you can't just go "BUT...BUT SHE'S BETTER THAN ME.....I DEMAND SHE IS REMOVED FROM THE GAME..."

Yeah, and at the other end of the slope you have 11 year old girls with one leg competing against Boris Becker. No point here.

I'm not sure I get what you're arguing here. Hormones are the reason why women and men compete separately, are you saying the whole division is stupid? My point is that if you get a borderline case of "is she a man or a woman?" make your decision based on the reason women and men are separated at all, not the catholic way of "Yup, I feel something round, just a sec, yeah, there's the other one too. We're clear here!"

EDIT: Tired: If she has a bit more testosterone than the average woman that's fine of course, but if her hormonal systems are that of a man she should compete with men. Probably not though, because she still looks like a she, but if you want to do some tests, this is definitely better than "is most of her genitalia inside or outside?"

there are division because men are idiots who believe that women can't compete with men. But let's not forget a little tennis match between Billie Jean King and some guy who's name I can't remember atm because she kicked his ass!

Has nothing to do with hormones or whatever excuses you want to make up. It's all about sexism.

Has nothing to do with hormones or whatever excuses you want to make up. It's all about sexism.

Bullshit.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/100_metres#Fastest_100_metres_runners
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/10000_metres#All-time_top_25

Of course the difference isn't big in tennis as it's a very technical and tactical sport compared to running, but it's a fact that men, thanks to faster muscle growth and whatever other physical traits, I'm no expert on these, always have an advantage, and it's not only marginal (check those links).

Of course the difference isn't big in tennis as it's a very technical and tactical sport compared to running, but it's a fact that men, thanks to faster muscle growth and whatever other physical traits, I'm no expert on these, always have an advantage, and it's not only marginal (check those links).

Tell that to the thousands of female bodybuilders who could twist you into a preztel. It's not that they CAN'T get muscle, it's that society tells them they shouldn't because it isn't 'ladylike'.

Tell that to the thousands of female bodybuilders who could twist you into a preztel. It's not that they CAN'T get muscle, it's that society tells them they shouldn't because it isn't 'ladylike'.

Is Marge a professional male bodybuilder? Because, uh, I suspect he is not and therefore that is a ridiculous comparison to make.

All female tennis players are better than I am at tennis. That is because I, despite being a man, am not good at tennis. However, the best male tennis players hit harder then the best female players. Do you see how I am not claiming to be superior due to my having balls?

Many bodybuilders are in crummy shape anyways. Having GIANT MUSCLES doesn't mean you're capable of running around for two hours like most athletes have to. They are strong sometimes, but often they'll be weak as kittens before a show because of their crazy sudden abstinence from food.

I don't get the "LOOK AT FEMALE BODYBUILDERS" argument. I would indeed enjoy watching a bodybuilding player tennis, it would be quite a retarded spectacle! "but but they can be strong" yeah, but can they be overall as strong as men while retaining the same level of agility? Rarely! Men are bigger, so they can hold more muscles without them interfering with each other negatively. FACT

"Oh you've got a ladies hormones" "gr9 let me at 'em"
or
"Sorry the power of testicles flows through you"
"Darn"

Tennis is a game of skill, anyways. Being slightly more powerful doesn't mean you automatically win. TENNIS SCANDAL

Ha ha, surely, I was watching tennis one time(god forbid, that it's boring for me), and I saw this "woman" playing tennis, but the face looked like a guy, thought she may of had a sex-change, or her face was tanned or something like that.