The place of ideologies in today's music

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dark_crystalis

#1 May 29, 2009, 05:31:27 pm

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I've been thinking about this for the last few days. The thought occurred to me as I was listening to a Temnozor album for the first time. Temnozor is a National Socialist band. I thought the music was pure joy even though I really don't support their political and ideological position. You see a lot of bands in extreme music that try to push a certain political or philosophical ideal although it's also seen in much more popular music.

What do you people here at GW think of this? Is it ok for a pop star to sing about his/her political, religious, or philosophical way?

Personally I don't mind it as long as it's not in a very preachy way. I can separate the music from the message behind it thus whether the band sings about killing jews or living in peace I don't mind. I must admit I prefer to listen to bands with lyrics that I can support but if the music is good, the music is good.

Also, do you think there are certain subjects that should not be talked about in music?

I'll just start off with this to see how the discussion goes...

Last Edit: May 29, 2009, 06:37:29 pm by dark_crystalis

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big ass skelly

#2 May 29, 2009, 07:40:13 pm

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Killing in the name of!
Some of those that work forces, are the same that burn crosses
Some of those that work forces, are the same that burn crosses
Some of those that work forces, are the same that burn crosses
Some of those that work forces, are the same that burn crosses
Huh!

Killing in the name of!
Killing in the name of

And now you do what they told ya
And now you do what they told ya
And now you do what they told ya
And now you do what they told ya
And now you do what they told ya
And now you do what they told ya
And now you do what they told ya
And now you do what they told ya
And now you do what they told ya
And now you do what they told ya
And now you do what they told ya
But now you do what they told ya
Well now you do what they told ya

Those who died are justified, for wearing the badge, they're the chosen whites
You justify those that died by wearing the badge, they're the chosen whites
Those who died are justified, for wearing the badge, they're the chosen whites
You justify those that died by wearing the badge, they're the chosen whites

Some of those that work forces, are the same that burn crosses
Some of those that work forces, are the same that burn crosses
Some of those that work forces, are the same that burn crosses
Some of those that work forces, are the same that burn crosses
Uggh!

Killing in the name of!
Killing in the name of

And now you do what they told ya
And now you do what they told ya
And now you do what they told ya
And now you do what they told ya
And now you do what they told ya, now you're under control (7 times)
And now you do what they told ya, now you're under control
And now you do what they told ya, now you're under control
And now you do what they told ya, now you're under control
And now you do what they told ya, now you're under control
And now you do what they told ya, now you're under control
And now you do what they told ya, now you're under control
And now you do what they told ya!

Those who died are justified, for wearing the badge, they're the chosen whites
You justify those that died by wearing the badge, they're the chosen whites
Those who died are justified, for wearing the badge, they're the chosen whites
You justify those that died by wearing the badge, they're the chosen whites
Come on!

Yeah! Come on!

Fuck you, I won't do what you tell me
Fuck you, I won't do what you tell me
Fuck you, I won't do what you tell me
Fuck you, I won't do what you tell me
Fuck you, I won't do what you tell me
Fuck you, I won't do what you tell me
Fuck you, I won't do what you tell me
Fuck you, I won't do what you tell me
Fuck you, I won't do what you tell me!
Fuck you, I won't do what you tell me!
Fuck you, I won't do what you tell me!
Fuck you, I won't do what you tell me!
Fuck you, I won't do what you tell me!
Fuck you, I won't do what you tell me!
Fuck you, I won't do what you tell me!
Fuck you, I won't do what you tell me!
Motherfucker!
Uggh!

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Barack Obama

#3 May 29, 2009, 08:36:56 pm

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Quote from: dark_crystalis on May 29, 2009, 05:31:27 pm

Is it ok for a pop star to sing about his/her political, religious, or philosophical way?

what do you mean by 'is it OK?'

there's no rules about what you can and cannot sing about dude

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Farren

#4 May 29, 2009, 09:03:12 pm

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What? If you listen to any music that isn't materialistic or sappy as fuck its got ideological, theological, and philosophical tones to it.

You'd have to be some bland, boring piece of shit to make music about yourself or your life experiences your ideas or whatever and not even accidentally pump it full of this kind of shit.

DEUCE: MEETING THE URINE UP CLOSE AND PERSONAL AND REALIZING IT'S JUST LIKE ME AND MY PREJUDICES THIS WHOLE TIME WERE COMPLETELY FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF PTTTTHTHTHH GOD IT'S EVERYWHERE DEUCE: FUCK THIS TASTES LIKE PISS PANTS: WHERE IT SHOULD TASTE LIKE COTTON CANDY OR PICKLES DEUCE: OR AT LEAST LIKE URINE NOT PISS

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Farren

#5 May 29, 2009, 09:05:46 pm

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I really really love music that does this intentionally btw, I think thats why mos def is my fav rapper at the moment. He's got some pretty cool ideas and presents them pretty well.

Fear not of man (Click to reveal)

Ooh-ooooooooooohhhh, ooh-ooooooooooooooohh-WHEEEEE!!!
That was for Brooklyn..
Ha ha, we get it everytime
You got me on? Ohh
Shout out to all of my crew, East-West, North-South
All the continent, Europe, all abroad international
Bring it in, bring it in, bring it in, bring it in
It's a lot of things goin on y'all
21st century is comin
20th century almost done
A lot of things have changed
A lot of things have not, mainly us
We gon' get it together right? I believe that
Listen.. people be askin me all the time,
"Yo Mos, what's gettin ready to happen with Hip-Hop?"
(Where do you think Hip-Hop is goin?)
I tell em, "You know what's gonna happen with Hip-Hop?
Whatever's happening with us"
If we smoked out, Hip-Hop is gonna be smoked out
If we doin alright, Hip-Hop is gonna be doin alright
People talk about Hip-Hop like it's some giant livin in the hillside
comin down to visit the townspeople
We +are+ Hip-Hop
Me, you, everybody, we are Hip-Hop
So Hip-Hop is goin where we goin
So the next time you ask yourself where Hip-Hop is goin
ask yourself.. where am I goin? How am I doin?
Til you get a clear idea
So.. if Hip-Hop is about the people
and the.. Hip-Hop won't get better until the people get better
then how do people get better? (Hmmmm...)
Well, from my understanding people get better
when they start to understand that, they are valuable
And they not valuable because they got a whole lot of money
or cause somebody, think they sexy
but they valuable cause they been created by God
And God, makes you valuable
And whether or not you, recognize that value is one thing
You got a lot of societies and governments
tryin to be God, wishin that they were God
They wanna create satellites and cameras everywhere
and make you think they got the all-seein eye
Eh.. I guess The Last Poets wasn't, too far off
when they said that certain people got a God Complex
I believe it's true
I don't get phased out by none of that, none of that
helicopters, the TV screens, the newscasters, the..
satellite dishes.. they just, wishin
They can't really never do that
When they tell me to fear they law
When they tell me to try to
have some fear in my heart behind the things that they do
This is what I think in my mind
And this is what I say to them
And this is what I'm sayin, to you check it

All over the world hearts pound with the rhythm
Fear not of men because men must die
Mind over matter and soul before flesh
Angels hold a pen keep a record in time
we just passin and runnin like a caravan trader.
The world is overrun with the wealthy and the wicked
But God is sufficient in disposin of affairs
Gunmen and stockholders try to merit my fear
But God is sufficient over plans they prepared
Mos Def in the flesh, where you at, right here
on this place called Earth, holdin down my square
Bout to do it for y'all, and y'all at the fair
So just bounce, come on bounce
B-b-bounce b-bounce b-bounce-bounce
And just..
.. just step two three
Just step two three and
step two..
two three and..
One two three and four
One two three and four
Once again
All over the world hearts pound with the rhythm
Fear not of men because men must die
Mind over matter and soul before flesh
Angels hold a pen keep a record in time
we just passin and runnin like a caravan freighter
The world is overrun with the wealthy and the wicked
But God is sufficient in disposin of affairs
Gunmen and stockholders try to merit your fear
But God is sufficient over plans they prepared
Mos Def in the flesh, where you at, right here
on this place called Earth, holdin down my square
Bout to represent in your whole atmosphere
Bout to represent in your whole atmosphere
to your atmosphere, to your atmosphere
Oh-ooooooohhhhhhhhhh!
That was for you - and Brooklyn too!

Last Edit: May 29, 2009, 09:09:28 pm by Coxswain

DEUCE: MEETING THE URINE UP CLOSE AND PERSONAL AND REALIZING IT'S JUST LIKE ME AND MY PREJUDICES THIS WHOLE TIME WERE COMPLETELY FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF PTTTTHTHTHH GOD IT'S EVERYWHERE DEUCE: FUCK THIS TASTES LIKE PISS PANTS: WHERE IT SHOULD TASTE LIKE COTTON CANDY OR PICKLES DEUCE: OR AT LEAST LIKE URINE NOT PISS

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ATARI

#6 June 01, 2009, 01:07:57 am

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im pretty sure you have the wrong amount of fuck you i won't do what you tell me's

Last Edit: June 01, 2009, 03:36:10 am by straightXedge

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Frisky SKeleton

#7 June 01, 2009, 04:46:56 am

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maybe you've only heard the radio friendly 'sheep' mix.

edit: i just counted, it's the same number as in here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkuOAY-S6OY

Last Edit: June 01, 2009, 04:49:13 am by climbtree

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cowardknower

#8 June 01, 2009, 07:41:13 am

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i do not listen to music to be preached to.

KEEP YOUR POLITICS IN YOUR MOUTH...

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blood hell

#9 June 01, 2009, 07:46:31 pm

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yeah dude no one does except christians. usually i wont listen to bands if i think they sing about stupid ideas, but usually bands that do have bad music to go along with it

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Frisky SKeleton

#10 June 01, 2009, 07:57:05 pm

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Rage Against The Machine (of atheism)
System Of A Down (in hell in you don't accept Jesus)
Tool (to save lives for God)
U2 (can know the love of our saviour)
Nine Inch Nails (through Jesus' christ on the cross he was crucified to save us)

I USE Q'S INSTEQD OF Q'S

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Alec

#11 June 01, 2009, 08:14:22 pm

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I only listen to songs about battling dragons

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ATARI

#12 June 01, 2009, 08:33:34 pm

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Quote from: climbtree on June 01, 2009, 04:46:56 am

maybe you've only heard the radio friendly 'sheep' mix.

edit: i just counted, it's the same number as in here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkuOAY-S6OY

yea you're right actually i just made that post based on what i remembered but i forgot about the breakdown part before the climax

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