although if you really think i was wrong about ddays posts then wow

ryan says what i think out loud


he's the man

god dday your posts are terrible

Go tell it to someone that cares.

Edit: BTW nice DP

although if you really think i was wrong about ddays posts then wow

is it just like a dday's spelling thing still or are you actually upset (god) by the content?

god dday your posts are terrible

So are yours.

just download isos of persona 1 and 2 and emulate them. if you want a good ps1 emulator then go here: http://psxemulator.gazaxian.com/
imo it's the best ps1 emulator out there because you do not have to dick around with any plugins whatsoever. according to the site's compatibility list the two persona games should work perfectly.

Yeah it works perfectly for all three of them (counting Innocent Sin and Eternal Punishment as seperate games) as it's the one I use to play them.

is it just like a dday's spelling thing still or are you actually upset (god) by the content?

lol nah i don't care about the content, he's just so awful with grammar and spelling it's genuinely hard to read his posts.

also lol @ drule, telling me to stop calling out people in public after calling vaginal barrels entire life a lie. you're the best man.

Okay Jamie, here is what I think.

I bought Persona 4 a couple months ago and I went into it with a grudge. I actually did not want to like the game. I had this image of it being this ultra-anime trendy social simulator with no content or anything to do. I didn't like the art style or the music or the premise or anything, so actually I'm not sure why I got it. I guess I got it to GET ANGRY. Ultimately I was pretty disappointed because I enjoyed it a lot!!

I think I had Persona 4 pegged out to be something it wasn't. It's definitely BABY'S FIRST RPG in that it's pretty easy, super-polished, and a little anime. I was expecting style over substance though, pretty anime pictures and nothing else, and that is not at all what it was. The game is sort of split into two parts: the dungeon and the town. The dungeon is pretty simple, you run around trying to get to the bottom so you can fight the boss. You can fuse demons that you attach to your main character that change your skills and stats. The town is sort of a social simulator. You build up relationships with other people (it's not a dating sim), which I think has effects on their performance in the dungeon (I can't remember for sure). The dialogue and characters are why you want to play this game. For the most part they're pretty tolerable and although I don't think they're THERE yet, I feel like they're a step in the right direction. People feel like people.

There are times when the game feels extremely tedious. Going through the dungeon in one run can take hours and there are long periods where you do absolutely nothing during the town simulator parts, so it can be pretty boring. The worst part is when you've decided what you want to do, you're given a lot of freedom in the game, and then you can't do it because something unexpected comes up, which is really annoying.

For me though, Persona 4 was a gateway to the whole SMT series. Right now I'm playing Shin Megami Tensei: Nocturne and it is one of the best games I've ever played. Persona was a nice game that had neat ideas, but Nocturne is excellent and one of the best games for the PS2 so I'd suggest getting Nocturne over Persona.

I've been thinking about trying Persona for a while, trying to get over my opinion of OH NO ANIME, but what Chef just said is pretty convincing


I've also wanted to play Nocturne for a long while, and all I keep hearing is how goddamn good it is.

Guess I need to get started on this sometime. First step would be getting my ps2 back..

Nocturne is the opposite of Persona 4. Persona 4 is this semi-hip social simulator where the objective is to establish relationships and understand characters. There's a dungeon you go to frequently, but it's secondary to the game's social component. Nocturne is a giant dungeon with almost nobody to talk to. The world is more important than any individual character in it, but it has such a compelling world and battle system that the lack of characters isn't even something you consider.

So Persona 4 is an exploration of characters and Nocturne is an exploration of a world in change. Play them both. Nocturne's better though.

Also I have no idea about Persona 3. I've never played it!!!!! I've heard Persona 3 is not nearly as good from people whose PERSONA OPINIONS I respect, but that 4 is also a similar concept executed much better.

Just My Professional Opinion As A Gamer.

Nocturne is the opposite of Persona 4. Persona 4 is this semi-hip social simulator where the objective is to establish relationships and understand characters. There's a dungeon you go to frequently, but it's secondary to the game's social component. Nocturne is a giant dungeon with almost nobody to talk to. The world is more important than any individual character in it, but it has such a compelling world and battle system that the lack of characters isn't even something you consider.

So Persona 4 is an exploration of characters and Nocturne is an exploration of a world in change. Play them both. Nocturne's better though.

Also I have no idea about Persona 3. I've never played it!!!!! I've heard Persona 3 is not nearly as good from people whose PERSONA OPINIONS I respect, but that 4 is also a similar concept executed much better.

Just My Professional Opinion As A Gamer.

FYI both Persona 3 and Persona 4's normal storyline battles tend towards being easy, but if you set the game's difficulty to Hard, it gets a lot more challenging. Also, both of them have optional dungeons at the end with ridiculously difficult enemies and bosses. Persona 4's optional dungeon/boss in particular are definitely worth your time.

The modern Persona games are definitely not SHINING EXAMPLES IN THE RPG GENRE or anything but they are very enjoyable games if you're in the mood for them. They weren't what I expected after Persona 2 but I liked them.

Positives:
Outstanding art direction (especially 4)
Good music, as long as you don't mind the style
Excellent writing
Unorthodox plot and structure (this applies more to 4 than 3, though)
Good battle system

Negatives:
Rather awful pacing
Lots of 'filler' content to pad out the game calendar
A lot of the interactions between the main character and female characters are ridiculous stereotype bullshit. 4 improves on this but still suffers from it pretty badly.
Lack of direct party control in P3 is frustrating

In my opinion P3 and P4 are just the result of taking one modern trend in JRPGs (story-driven games) to its natural conclusion. Instead of filling the game with prerendered cinematics and using them to tell a linear story, though, they just fill it to the brim with well-written dialogue and intricate plotting. Naturally, some of the other things that might make JRPGs appealing for you take a hit - the dungeons and combat are not quite as compelling as in other SMT games. I think they're also notable for how much control you have over the progression of the characters and the story. Both P3 and P4 offer some particularly interesting choices to the player that have a significant impact on the game world, even if the "ending" is set in stone.

P4 in particular is also notable if you're one of those literature wanks who cares about gender roles and stereotypes.

This article and this article provide a pretty good overview of the notable things about P4 even if you don't agree with the articles' conclusions.

Kanji could have been a really powerful character if they didn't treat how he dealt with his sexuality so juvenilely and if they didn't renege it all by having him maintain his feelings for Naoto after it's revealed she's a girl. I only got his social link to 8 or 9 so I don't know for sure if they ever address it directly, but his scenario isn't about coming to terms with his sexuality like it should be; it's about knitting toys for children. Also, before you say it's a metaphor, it's a pretty terrible metaphor because knitting is not a required component of homosexuality!!! His scenario is about dispelling the image he's cultivated for himself. Persona 4 treats Kanji's sexuality as a platform for cheap jokes rather than something that could be positively explored.

I haven't played an SMT game that wasn't wildly homophobic though!!!!!

Ooooh, let me tell you about my alternate lifestyle! Do you think I'm a little... queer? People say I'm a little queer.

Kanji could have been a really powerful character if they didn't treat how he dealt with his sexuality so juvenilely and if they didn't renege it all by having him maintain his feelings for Naoto after it's revealed she's a girl. I only got his social link to 8 or 9 so I don't know for sure if they ever address it directly, but his scenario isn't about coming to terms with his sexuality like it should be; it's about knitting toys for children. Also, before you say it's a metaphor, it's a pretty terrible metaphor because knitting is not a required component of homosexuality!!! His scenario is about dispelling the image he's cultivated for himself. Persona 4 treats Kanji's sexuality as a platform for cheap jokes rather than something that could be positively explored.

Personally from what I'v played of P4 so far ( all the way past the Naoto section) to me think that he's not homosexual, but rather Bi, after watching the festival scene (Grrr I hate Teddie for that part in particular, you can't have all three girls you cheat >=[) and the bit at the end of the camp, shows he has some interest in girls. I'm going to try and max out his social link because I'll be using him in endgame (Final party of Me, Yukiko, Him and Teddie)

In regads to the knitting bears thing, I'd say it's mostly him facing his true self, and slowly showing the world his true self. Although what gets me is how the hell he managed (on my game atleast) to knit two rabbits in under a day O.o Jeese he can knit fast.

Personally from what I'v played of P4 so far ( all the way past the Naoto section) to me think that he's not homosexual, but rather Bi, after watching the festival scene (Grrr I hate Teddie for that part in particular, you can't have all three girls you cheat >=[) and the bit at the end of the camp, shows he has some interest in girls. I'm going to try and max out his social link because I'll be using him in endgame (Final party of Me, Yukiko, Him and Teddie)

In regads to the knitting bears thing, I'd say it's mostly him facing his true self, and slowly showing the world his true self. Although what gets me is how the hell he managed (on my game atleast) to knit two rabbits in under a day O.o Jeese he can knit fast.

He's bi for what date I can gather. The midnight channal take what they hide from the world and shows the other side of them.

I'm not sure if you can use Teddie for the end.... Never beat the game but he dose go missing. If you will like me to get in to farther details look in the next spoiler

Nanako was almost killed in the TV and Teadie offered him self to save Nanako (witch I think he still resides in the TV.) (not sure because little bit after this I stopped playing... and it's been a few months since I played it so may be inaccurate.) I should finish the game since I came so closes.

knitting is not a required component of homosexuality!!

This is true. I know more straight men who are good at knitting than gay men.

the midnight channal take what they hide from the world and shows the other side of them.

Yeah that's right, the Midnight channel shows the Shadow self, which is formed from the side of themselves that they don't want anyone to know about and they even deny themselves. Kanji's Shadow is formed from his fear of not being accepted for what he really is. However the shadow makes it seem like he's actually gay, which even tricks the cast, seeing as Yukiko questions it at the start of the battle.

If there's any shadow I really don't get, it's Mitsuo's. It says that it's 'Nothing' so does that mean that Mitsuo had no hidden side orrr what.

I bought Persona 3. It is the most boring game I have ever played. I'm actually pretty glad I played 4 before 3 because if I had played 3 first, I never would have played 4, which I actually enjoyed. Everything about 3 is worse than 4. The pacing, characters, battle system, MENU INTERACTION, everything is terrible. Man, don't play 3.

I bought Persona 3. It is the most boring game I have ever played. I'm actually pretty glad I played 4 before 3 because if I had played 3 first, I never would have played 4, which I actually enjoyed. Everything about 3 is worse than 4. The pacing, characters, battle system, MENU INTERACTION, everything is terrible. Man, don't play 3.

Only thing that's better is the story but It wasn't that bad. when I beat the game I  was satisfy with the ending.