will this be mac compatible? god I hope so

will this be mac compatible? god I hope so

There's a mac version of the beta so I'd assume it would be.

I've never played WC3 or WoW whatsoever so I'm not familiar with DotA at all. Is this game anything at all like Savage (the first game from S2games)? Because if so, then someone hook me up! (EDIT: I also didn't realize that Savage 2 is now freeware... interesting...)

Dota predates WoW by what.. 2-3 years? Why do people still confuse WoW's engine for WC3.

It's meant to be a improved dota, not completely original game. I'm sure there will be new heroes (and there are already I believe), but for now I think they just want to recreate dota entirely.

Are you serious? That's sort of disgusting.

I've never played WC3 or WoW whatsoever so I'm not familiar with DotA at all. Is this game anything at all like Savage (the first game from S2games)? Because if so, then someone hook me up! (EDIT: I also didn't realize that Savage 2 is now freeware... interesting...)

Well I only played Savage 2 briefly but it uses the same style and LORE (very important) as Savage does, and I guess it is kinda similar to Savage 2 in that you have 2 factions battling it out through multiple paths/lanes trying to destroy the opposing teams base. It doesn't have the cool stuff from Savage 2 like portals and sacrificial pits / scars and a commander but that's because Dota didn't have anything remotely similar either.

All in all, Savage 2 was a lot more balanced game because it relied more heavily on the players ability to play rather than what unit he is controlling. Offcourse it wasn't very realistic to beat any of the scar demons with a worker but there was a slim chance it could've happened.

Are you serious? That's sort of disgusting.

That's really what this game is. I wish I could post screenshots, because man it looks exactly, EXACTLY like WC3 except with modern textures. Same models for creeps, same exact gameplay, man, even the title screen art is the loading screen art from WC3 but with different characters. Even the font is the same.

IDK if the items are the same, but I'm guessing so.

That being said, that's pretty much what people want, really.

IDK if the items are the same, but I'm guessing so.

They are.

It's meant to be a improved dota, not completely original game. I'm sure there will be new heroes (and there are already I believe), but for now I think they just want to recreate dota entirely.

There are new heroes... but judging by what's been done it isn't their intention to recreate dota ENTIRELY. What they want to do is to bring Dota to today's standards of play... give or take. And judging by the skills used on the hybrid/ new heroes there are a few that will not make it over (like Kunkka and Weaver for example).

Are you serious? That's sort of disgusting.

Is it really? The basis of the Dota you are familiar with is not the original and even then creative control of that particular incarnation has changed hands since it's own creation (not that Dota is all that original, it started as just another AoS/ Hero Wars clone). Eul is the original creator meanwhile Guinsoo started Dota Allstars. The version you play has gone through serious overhauls thanks to Ice Frog who is currently the one maintaining it. With that in mind would it be so bad to view HoN as yet another incarnation? Or am I not getting why you think this is disgusting?

my name is dhakkel btw, but idk how much ill be playing. im gonna try again now, but if i still cant get last hitting down im probably gonna quit.

Is it really? The basis of the Dota you are familiar with is not the original and even then creative control of that particular incarnation has changed hands since it's own creation (not that Dota is all that original, it started as just another AoS/ Hero Wars clone). Eul is the original creator meanwhile Guinsoo started Dota Allstars. The version you play has gone through serious overhauls thanks to Ice Frog who is currently the one maintaining it. With that in mind would it be so bad to view HoN as yet another incarnation? Or am I not getting why you think this is disgusting?

it kind of is yeah. let's just say that it has to do with the minimal creative direction this company has right now - the heroes are different, yes, and there will propably be more maps (at least they TRY to get people play other maps/modes but welp since it's DOTA FANBASE shrug) but it's still kind of disgusting since it's about miming the original game's motor, gameplay and premise the best they can. Demigod tried to do something new about this or at least RESHAPE/make a completely new game around the premise even though they weren't so succesful! it doesn't help that the first map is COMPLETELY remade to the game up to most minor details (why not even change the environment, that's like the easiest thing to do on the design side!)


however i don't feel like arguing about this since i suspect nobody (you or me or anybody else) will agree on anything so it's kind of useless.

READ i don't want to argue since you are a hc fan/player and obviously like it so we won't propably find any agreeament!!

also i think this is like the company's LAST CARD or something to save them from bankrupty so there's a huge difference between a modified mod/map and a game that tries it's best to please a certain userbase in many ways to sell well!! and we aren't talking about fans of the mod's creator or anything IT'S AN OPPOSITE COMPANY.

OPINIONS.... FEH

I could never get used to their vertical map but the two lane one with a single layer of towers per base is actually very good. I just hope they switch up the terrain because I'm tired of seeing evil trees everywhere. I see what you're saying though. The problem with me is that I'm not trying to view this as a new game or S2 as an opposing company. To me this is the natural progression for Dota made by Dota fans... who happen to be S2 in this case. Dota is to HoN what Narbacular Drop and Left 4 Dead (turtle rock) was to Portal and Left 4 Dead (valve). I see no distinction between the developmental processes of either of these games other than S2 not having to buy Dota off from Eul, Guinsoo, or Icefrog.

The NDA is now gone btw.

Yes. Midgame, when they announced the lifting of the NDA in a game-wide message they basically told you to post screenshots and videos. They also said beta is definitely not over yet and they don't have a set date... that they want to balance and add more heroes first. They also said that there will be an open beta period before beta is over~

Well there's still like 8 or so empty hero spots in the roster so I figure those are going to be filled at least before the game is out.

I just got sent a beta key for this from my brother since he got one because he preordered Savage 2 back in the day, so I'll download this and see what all the buzz is about.

what are these "improvements"?

i keep hearing people discuss improvements, but i don't read any/ I understand they recreated the engine and the general interface for finding games and starting games might be easier.... but... what gameplay improvements have been introduced?

The hero picking is new.  Sorta.  The shops have a more organized interface.  I'd assume some balance tweaking has been done.

IDK really.