I think that if you behave like a predator (in the lion, shark, etc sense) you should be treated like one (in the they get shot sense) but then the risks of killing an innocent blah blah blah so leave it for when there are videos or pictures that prove you're evil

this is just as dumb, pictures and video don't prove anything, they can be altered or you might just see PART of a video that leads it to seem like you're guilty, this isn't enough proof to kill someone over

this is just as dumb, pictures and video don't prove anything, they can be altered or you might just see PART of a video that leads it to seem like you're guilty, this isn't enough proof to kill someone over

"If you didn't kill mr. roberts then how do you explain this video we have of you killing mr. roberts and you don't have an alibi either and there are a thousand witnesses that say you killed mr. roberts with a spork?"

"It's photoshopped! Videos don't prove anything!"

"Ok, you're free to go!"

to allow death penalty means a moral justification for it on some level. i can't think of any justification for death penalties. the Gaming World, please help me. *on knees, hat crumpled in hands, bows head gently downwards, eyes close*

*LIGHT BEACONS TO THE SPOT FROM DARKNESS*

this is just as dumb, pictures and video don't prove anything, they can be altered or you might just see PART of a video that leads it to seem like you're guilty, this isn't enough proof to kill someone over

There was a guy who killed and chopped a girl and he took photos of it (they're on the internet) and sent them to his buddies

"Velfarre: It doesn't PROVE HE killed her! It's photoshopped! Pictures don't prove anything!"


Then there was another guy who ordered the deaths of several people, and there is a recording of him talking to someone who was being tortured (it's really shocking, the victim had his two feet cut and talked about how they tried to make him walk but he fell down) because he ordered so and then the evil guy tells the other criminal to shoot him and you can hear it all. (it's also in the internet! but it's in portuguese)

"Velfarre: IT doesn't PROVE anything! THE AUDIO obviously was edited from several other clips!"

Then there is that video which shows the kids killing an old man with a hammer and a screw driver. (it's in the internet too)

"Velfarre: It's obviously EDITED WITH photoshop!"


IF VIDEOS/PICS/AUDIO DON'T PROVE ANYTHING THEN HOW COME PEOPLE USE THEM EVERY DAY AS EVIDENCE IN COURT?

I used to be totally for the death penalty until I heard someone say "giving the death penalty to an innocent person is the same as murder." or something like that.  

As far as our prisons being overcrowded/that sort of shit, we could easily make lots of room if the government just legalized marijuana.  

/hippy

everybody should just move out of Texas

They should bring back the guillotine --

Living heads


From its first use, there has been debate as to whether the guillotine always provided as swift a death as Guillotin hoped. With previous methods of execution, there was little concern about the suffering inflicted. As the guillotine was invented specifically to be "humane", however, the issue was seriously considered. Furthermore, there is the possibility that the very swiftness of the guillotine only prolonged the victim's suffering. The blade cuts quickly enough so that there is relatively little impact on the brain case, and perhaps less likelihood of immediate unconsciousness than with a more violent decapitation, or long-drop hanging.

Audiences to guillotinings told numerous stories of blinking eyelids, speaking, moving eyes, movement of the mouth, even an expression of "unequivocal indignation" on the face of the decapitated Charlotte Corday when her cheek was slapped. Anatomists and other scientists in several countries have tried to perform more definitive experiments on severed human heads as recently as 1956. Inevitably, the evidence is only anecdotal. What appears to be a head responding to the sound of its name, or to the pain of a pinprick, may be only random muscle twitching or automatic reflex action, with no awareness involved. At worst, it seems that the massive drop in cerebral blood pressure would cause a victim to lose consciousness in several seconds.[17]

The following report was written by a Dr. Beaurieux, who experimented with the head of a condemned prisoner by the name of Henri Languille, on 28 June 1905:

    Here, then, is what I was able to note immediately after the decapitation: the eyelids and lips of the guillotined man worked in irregularly rhythmic contractions for about five or six seconds. This phenomenon has been remarked by all those finding themselves in the same conditions as myself for observing what happens after the severing of the neck …

    I waited for several seconds. The spasmodic movements ceased. […] It was then that I called in a strong, sharp voice: "Languille!" I saw the eyelids slowly lift up, without any spasmodic contractions – I insist advisedly on this peculiarity – but with an even movement, quite distinct and normal, such as happens in everyday life, with people awakened or torn from their thoughts.

    Next Languille's eyes very definitely fixed themselves on mine and the pupils focused themselves. I was not, then, dealing with the sort of vague dull look without any expression, that can be observed any day in dying people to whom one speaks: I was dealing with undeniably living eyes which were looking at me. After several seconds, the eyelids closed again […].

    It was at that point that I called out again and, once more, without any spasm, slowly, the eyelids lifted and undeniably living eyes fixed themselves on mine with perhaps even more penetration than the first time. Then there was a further closing of the eyelids, but now less complete. I attempted the effect of a third call; there was no further movement – and the eyes took on the glazed look which they have in the dead.[18]

the death penalty is barbaric and anybody who thinks it's ok, good, justifyable or whatever is a total cunt.
Regardless of the innocent people factor (which is a pretty big one!) I can't see it as justifyable to kill people. I think yeah, keeping them away for general safety is good and the ideal thing to do (like that sex offenders prison in california I think).

i don't really support the death penalty at all. not even in the most extreme cases. i think it'd be better punishment to rot in jail than to just kill them. nobody can be absolutely sure what happens after death, so what if the criminal dies and goes to a wonderful place full of magic and love and unicorns? hah, but yeah i mean, sometimes criminals just WANT to die. plenty of them kill themselves while in prison. and why do you think people who shoot up places usually shoot themselves too? they know that being in jail for the rest of their life would be way worse than just ending it there. if you really wanted some sort of vengeance from a trial against someone who has wronged you or loved ones, wouldn't it be more satisfying to know that they're sitting in jail than being unsure of whether they are living some sort of fantastic life after death? sure, it might make them feel safer to know a criminal is totally gone from this world, so he can't escape or be released in order to kill them. but still... i think it'd be better for them to just be serving life in prison. plus, if the supposed bad guy is ever found innocent, they can be released.

btw, kinda topic related : http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8247564.stm

Basically a public art piece (which is very good!) is going to be used to present the case of a woman on death row to the british public, kinda I dunno a plea for the PM to grow some balls and ask for her to be released.

i don't really support the death penalty at all. not even in the most extreme cases. i think it'd be better punishment to rot in jail than to just kill them. nobody can be absolutely sure what happens after death, so what if the criminal dies and goes to a wonderful place full of magic and love and unicorns? hah, but yeah i mean, sometimes criminals just WANT to die. plenty of them kill themselves while in prison. and why do you think people who shoot up places usually shoot themselves too? they know that being in jail for the rest of their life would be way worse than just ending it there. if you really wanted some sort of vengeance from a trial against someone who has wronged you or loved ones, wouldn't it be more satisfying to know that they're sitting in jail than being unsure of whether they are living some sort of fantastic life after death? sure, it might make them feel safer to know a criminal is totally gone from this world, so he can't escape or be released in order to kill them. but still... i think it'd be better for them to just be serving life in prison. plus, if the supposed bad guy is ever found innocent, they can be released.

Those damn criminals..... should suffer to pay for their crimes 

IF VIDEOS/PICS/AUDIO DON'T PROVE ANYTHING THEN HOW COME PEOPLE USE THEM EVERY DAY AS EVIDENCE IN COURT?

YES BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY COURTS ARE INFALLIBLE AND ALWAYS GETS THE RIGHT GUY PUNISHED


OH WAIT

it's not a matter of these things NEVER proving guilt, it's that they MIGHT be wrong.  that's what i was saying, it's not 100%!  you cannot take a human life on even 99.99% confidence, because you can't undo it.  just throw 'im in jail, there might be evidence that proves them innocent later but until then they are safely behind bars where they can't hurt anyone.  you didn't disprove shit, unless you have some way of showing that photos and videos are always, ALWAYS, 100% proof (which you can't because they're faked or misleading all the time)

Plus not to mention a death sentence costs more than life (money wise).

Don't get me wrong, and i think it's wrong but a friend pointed out that When slavery was around, human life had value, yes, it was only so much money and in some cases not much at all, but at least it was there, now days life is worth nothing, people kill and no one will protect becuase they hold no value, at least you might protect your slaves for there monatery value....

ok now that i think about it maybey it wasn't such a good point, but its still kinda valid.

YES BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY COURTS ARE INFALLIBLE AND ALWAYS GETS THE RIGHT GUY PUNISHED


OH WAIT

it's not a matter of these things NEVER proving guilt, it's that they MIGHT be wrong.  that's what i was saying, it's not 100%!  you cannot take a human life on even 99.99% confidence, because you can't undo it.  just throw 'im in jail, there might be evidence that proves them innocent later but until then they are safely behind bars where they can't hurt anyone.  you didn't disprove shit, unless you have some way of showing that photos and videos are always, ALWAYS, 100% proof (which you can't because they're faked or misleading all the time)

When something is faked there is evidence of it being faked

Also why are you doing this. So what if it's not 100%? Leave it for when they're 100% of it then (like I Said In ANother Post)

When something is faked there is evidence of it being faked

Also why are you doing this. So what if it's not 100%? Leave it for when they're 100% of it then (like I Said In ANother Post)

They thought they were 100% when they executed the guy in the main post.  Turns out they were wrong.  That's why I'm "doing this" (the fuck does that mean anyway), there are no 100% scenarios.  Even events when people admit guilt have occasionally turned out that the 'guilty' part was innocent.  There is no absolute way of knowing these things unless you are MAGICAL so the death penalty isn't excusable!

Some times people are 100% sure of something because they saw it and there are videos of it happening

(ps which is not necessarily the case when lawyers trade fallacies back and forth and then someone else decides what happened based on popular opinion)

shows what a flakey bitch his wife was. I mean she's going to fucking curse him to death when she'd had three fucking kids with the man and was married to him you think that would mean something.

oh wait