Science If you want to catch a liar, make him draw (Read 1277 times)

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I just read this really fascinating article: http://neuronarrative.wordpress.com/2009/09/22/if-you-want-to-catch-a-liar-make-him-draw/


I think this is really fascinating and can actually probably work really well. What do you guys think? Hope this isn't a waste of a topic but it is pretty interesting!
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now that we know the secrets we will never be caught.

I think I would be pretty good at making it look plausible if I was lying, but regardless I would prefer this to a normal lie detector test. those things scare me, I feel like I would get too anxious and it would show I was lying even when I was telling the truth. they should figure out other ways to test whether people are lying besides drawing the location.

btw some people use a strange perspective even when they are looking directly at the object. we call it angel view, it's like drawing the scene from a tree or a bird's eye even though you're flat on the ground.
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maybe you could see if he's lying based on neurological activity of remembering, but certainly you couldn't tell just by looking at the drawing. without drawing training most people tend to draw an over head perspective, or at least show more of what you really see of an object - regardless this would make lots of honest people seem like liars. to just be able to look at a drawing and say someone is lying is completely... over simplified.
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uh, no?  idk if someone told me to draw my dorm room i'm not gonna draw a floor plan
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i perfer the cut off a finger until they tell you what you want to hear method
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it's kinda hard to show all four walls at once

maybe you could see if he's lying based on neurological activity of remembering, but certainly you couldn't tell just by looking at the drawing. without drawing training most people tend to draw an over head perspective, or at least show more of what you really see of an object - regardless this would make lots of honest people seem like liars. to just be able to look at a drawing and say someone is lying is completely... over simplified.

this isn't the most innovative of ideas, it's unlikely to make honest people seem like liars though. it's basically the same as picking up on "THE SUN WAS IN MY EYES SO I HAD TO SQUINT IN THE ELEVATOR." it wouldn't be "YOUR PERSPECTIVE AND STYLE ARE A DEAD GIVEAWAY"
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but hundley, obama says that don't work
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it's kinda hard to show all four walls at once





Not really just draw the room like you're looking at the ceiling
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that's the opposite of a top down view dummy!
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If you asked me to draw where I am in this room I would draw a rectangle and then draw me in the corner looking at a smaller rectangle (the computer desk). I wouldn't draw you a third person image of me staring at my computer.

It really comes down to where they were in the action and what you are asking them to draw. I think a lot of things are like that. Plus, people who were shocked or confused when it happened would have very hard time remember details well enough to draw them; many witnesses/suspects can barely remember them well enough to vaguely describe what happened.

I'd think the person who drew more details would be the liar, actually, since they'd be compensating to make really sure everyone thought they were there. Like "draw what you saw when Mr. Johnson was shot" and they draw everything including the pretty flowers in the background and the old disused pair of shoes on the ground and the steam coming out of the sewer grate. SUSPICIOUS.
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This is a little off-topic but it relates so I'm going to say it. When you think of any memory you have of yourself, do you picture yourself in that memory from a 3rd person view (even though we see things from 1st person)? I do and it just amazes me how the mind is able to construct memories that are obviously false, adding in details of oneself from a completely different perspective than actually experienced.

The shoulder-view makes in truth tellers makes sense then, but still with some of my memories I can see myself from the front.. weird.
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that's the opposite of a top down view dummy!

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those wouldn't even look like houses if they were right side up
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i wish they did more research to confirm what we think happens
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We had an assignment when I was in an 8th grade art class where we were supposed to draw our bedrooms. My father had been in construction and had been into drafting. A lot of my early computer time (when I wasn't playing Golden Axe, Kings Quest, or Quest for Glory games) was spent with CAD. For the assignment, I naturally drew a top down perspective.

A lot of time, when I try to call up something from way back in my memory, I see the scene in a first person 360 view. (An example being my recollection of a restaurant my parents took me too once when I was six) But, since I had a hard time expressing that on paper, I drew it as an overhead. Then again, I remember what everyone ordered, conversations I overheard from the bar section, etc.

To me it sounds more like the study could be interpreted as "art majors tell the truth, regular people lie."

I used to sketch/doodle with my off hand when I was writing essays in school (and at the time I was ambidextrous enough to switch off which hand I actually did the writing with). I remember being asked to stay after for the stupidest things, because apparently I also did this on some tests. I'd just scribble some random crap while I was answering. Evidently, I did some scenes of graphic violence or depravity on a vocabulary test at one point. That wasn't the issue though - instead they were concerned because it was an exact (well, close enough to concern them) reflection of something I'd scribbled out earlier.  Never mind the fact the tests were boring/easy enough I could draw during them, the teacher's were concerned because they thought it meant I was cheating somehow!\

And, that picture of the houses reminds me a little bit of South Florida after hurricane Andrew... Then again it could just be the palm plant and the thigh tile roofing.
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I've studied lying for some time (finding the tell-tales of a lie, studying oddities in movement when
people are lying and mistakes made when constructing a lie) and I must say this is rather obvious.
It works the same with actual lying, detachment from the subject, leaving details away and generally
shying away from the main subject at hand are things most common in lies.

Finding these things in drawings of lies is to be expected. I really hope they're not going to actually
use this though, seen how anyone who draws regularly will draw in a certain way, the test won't work
on actual artists and anyone knowing what's going on and familiar with lying will know what's he's
expected to do for people to believe him.

I can't believe they didn't come up with this sooner.
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To me it sounds more like the study could be interpreted as "art majors tell the truth, regular people lie."
if you really think this then you are an idiot.
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that sounds like something an art major would say..
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he was joking. you can tell because his post didn't have many details
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if you really think this then you are an idiot.

If you were incapable of discerning what my comment inferred, that those with a strong artistic background would naturally perform better than someone who could hardly even sketch out a smiley face without detailed instructions, then you are in no position whatsoever to make judgments about the presumed mental deficiencies of others.

It doesn't sound like a bad study, only a loose one. There are contributory factors I would like to know: how wide was the sample set, what did the makeup of the control groups look like, and was the study were carried out as a double blind? With those answers we might start getting someplace. I always find studies that prove exactly what they were designed too a little suspect. I will concede, however, that I am only working from the article's description as I wasn't able to get the link for the actual study to load for whatever reason, so these conditions may have already been met by the experiment.
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