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Most CS job interviews ask you technical questions.  If you know all the information (no matter where you learned it from), you'll get the job.  The degree just means you can stick to something for four years.
Is that the same with every other high paying job out there?
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Is that the same with every other high paying job out there?

It just depends on the job.  However most of those jobs require skills that you have to get through school (i.e. law school) in which case if you aren't liking the classes you probably aren't going to like that job anyway.  However I can see how you could enjoy CS and not like CS lectures, which is why I used that as an example--you can get jobs like that with skills regardless of degrees.
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Funny enough I'm enjoying programming in java. I don't know what it is, maybe because it's java but I am really liking it and I usually don't like programming in anything.
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Funny enough I'm enjoying programming in java. I don't know what it is, maybe because it's java but I am really liking it and I usually don't like programming in anything.

Just be sure you can still program in lower-level programming languages, i.e. C++. It's a lot easier to go higher-up than to drop down. Java also does a lot of things like garbage collection that C++ makes you do manually.
But I have to say, it's really nice having all the built-in functionality of the higher-up languages. It's just nice to appreciate them instead of relying on them as a crutch. :)
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Oh sure, I will be learning C programming language in my later years of my degree possibly in my 2nd or 3rd year if I ever make it that far.
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But doesn't that limit your jobs to the degrees that you have? Example: If I did a degree in Geography I won't be able to work for Microsoft!  :fogetlaugh:
yes and no. most employers are more interested in your prior work experience than what you studied at your university. it really depends on what you want to end up doing, and where your career starts. some jobs have more obvious pre-requisites than others, microsoft being a pretty good example, but a lot of jobs and places to start are really more concerned with finding people who have demonstrated a capacity to learn and a dilligence to stick with something until it's finished. this is why just getting a degree is important, because it shows you can learn higher concepts and work hard. learning certain skillsets before actually getting jobs is not always a requirement, which is another one of the huge myths about the college/job market relationship. in reality, most places expect you to learn things relevant to the job as you go, not dive into it knowing absolutely everything immediately.

this is why i always encourage people to study things that they enjoy in college, unless they're really aiming for an occupation that requires specific experience in some field of study. unless you DEFINITELY have your heart set on being a bio-engineer or something specific like that, you might as well take the time in college to expand the parts of your mind that you cherish most, since you won't really have the opportunity to do it again in some formal setting. i can't stress enough that just because you studied geography doesn't mean you're condemned to a life of map-making.
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again, that is a huge over-simplification and doesn't account for the possibilities of JOB MARKET SUCKING and shit like that, but i think most of what i said there holds true and is a pretty realistic way of looking at how your college studies directly impact the way your career progresses
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Well I wish I knew that way before I applied for the subject, I think a change in the subject area may be in order. I was good at geography in school, I scored full marks in my exams and got the highest grade there I was doing foundation tier but I still got full marks I found it easy and kinda enjoyable.

EDIT: So just wondering, does a Masters degree make a bigger difference than a Bachelors degree or not? Because if it's not a big difference than I might as well see if I can change to a bachelors.
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Well I wish I knew that way before I applied for the subject, I think a change in the subject area may be in order. I was good at geography in school, I scored full marks in my exams and got the highest grade there I was doing foundation tier but I still got full marks I found it easy and kinda enjoyable.

EDIT: So just wondering, does a Masters degree make a bigger difference than a Bachelors degree or not? Because if it's not a big difference than I might as well see if I can change to a bachelors.

You don't "study for a Master's." You earn your Bachelor's degree, and then enter a postgraduate program to earn your Master's.
And yes, you definitely want to be studying something you like. Someone shouldn't study computer science just because they like computers or because it's good money. To study computer science, you should honestly like computer science.

EDIT: Also, according to one of my professors, by the time people in computer science earn their master's degree, the people who entered the workforce right after they graduated will still be about on par, pay-wise. They'll also have more real-world experience, as opposed to academic experience. So it's really your preference. I would maybe work on a master's part-time while working in a real job setting, especially because some companies will reimburse some of your tuition to get the postgraduate training/degrees.
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You don't "study for a Master's." You earn your Bachelor's degree, and then enter a postgraduate program to earn your Master's.
And yes, you definitely want to be studying something you like. Someone shouldn't study computer science just because they like computers or because it's good money. To study computer science, you should honestly like computer science.

EDIT: Also, according to one of my professors, by the time people in computer science earn their master's degree, the people who entered the workforce right after they graduated will still be about on par, pay-wise. They'll also have more real-world experience, as opposed to academic experience. So it's really your preference. I would maybe work on a master's part-time while working in a real job setting, especially because some companies will reimburse some of your tuition to get the postgraduate training/degrees.
A lot of people in the same lectures as me don't like or enjoy computer science and apparently are doing it for the money just like me. Well apart from the programming robots part and cyber crime there isn't anything I particularly like in the subject area.  :welp:
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If you are doing something purely for the money, you will most likely hate it.
Do something you love, and you will never work a day in your life. :)
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Do something you love, and you will never work a day in your life. :)
Ha, well ain't that easier said than done? I don't really know what to do, things I like to do? I like to travel go sight seeing, I like engaging and debating trivial things with big groups of people, I also like to lounge around doing nothing, I like playing video games, I like having varied activities from day to day as I have lived a life full of everyday routines.

EDIT: I'm also pondering becoming a firefighter... The only thing stopping me I guess is my parents as they don't want me to do any dangerous jobs.
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A lot of people in the same lectures as me don't like or enjoy computer science and apparently are doing it for the money just like me. Well apart from the programming robots part and cyber crime there isn't anything I particularly like in the subject area.  :welp:

If you hate your major, you're not likely to do well in it, and you're not likely to get the jobs where you get the nice money.  Plus, CS is more of a lifelong thing--once you get out of college, you're not done learning.  Computers change so quickly that you have to constantly keep on top of those changes to keep your job.  If you don't like CS now, you're not going to like it later on when you're still learning CS in the workplace (and I don't mean YOU in particular, I mean anyone doing this).
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A lot of people in the same lectures as me don't like or enjoy computer science and apparently are doing it for the money just like me. Well apart from the programming robots part and cyber crime there isn't anything I particularly like in the subject area.  :welp:
Just so you know, you'll probably be asked "why computer science" for any job that wants your degree and "I want money" is not the response they're looking for. You should pick a degree you're passionate about (as everybody else has suggested)
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A lot of people in the same lectures as me don't like or enjoy computer science and apparently are doing it for the money just like me. Well apart from the programming robots part and cyber crime there isn't anything I particularly like in the subject area.  :welp:

I hate to break it to you, but those other people and yourself will not ever make it to the point where you will make good money.  You will be hated by your co-workers because you won't hold the same passion and because of this be a detriment and burden to any team you are on, and due to that lack of passion will only ever hold the lowest level jobs.  Computer science is not a field where  you get your degree and then can remain complacent.  You have to love this stuff cuz like Velfarre said, if you want to remain relevant, you have to keep learning.  If you do not like Computer Science get out now.  There is a guy at my work that has the same exact attitude as you, he is completely worthless, everyone on the team hates him, and he recently got moved to a different team because he is really just a funding drain.  Don't be that guy.

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EDIT: I'm also pondering becoming a firefighter... The only thing stopping me I guess is my parents as they don't want me to do any dangerous jobs.
holy shit if possible (like if they fund your studies directly, i don't know how you do it in america but uh get diplomas or something?!?! STEAL IF NECESSARY (very VERY good advice)) you really shouldn't let your parents opinion weigh that much

like uh advices are good and welcome but if you are interested and want to become a fire fighter or anything RISKY JOB or whatever then do it. almost anything is better than your current no-interest plans in CS, it's a waste of money and time.

feel free to shoot my opinion down...  :fogetbackflip:
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Hell, I chose computer science not because of the 'good money' but because of the good job prospects as it's so broad I could go into anything I want if I ever get bored some years down the line, I mean we all know how heavy we rely on computers these days especially in business.

@Johnny Casil: Have you tried telling the guy he's more of a burden to the team than anything? Also what do you do for a living? What degree did you do?
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@Johnny Casil: Have you tried telling the guy he's more of a burden to the team than anything? Also what do you do for a living? What degree did you do?

As for your first point: This is required reading in my opinion for anyone working on a team.  There is no point talking to him because he is so unskilled he can't even comprehend it.

As far as your other questions, I am a software engineer with a degree in computer science.  So I have some personal experience in this.
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Hell, I chose computer science not because of the 'good money' but because of the good job prospects as it's so broad I could go into anything I want if I ever get bored some years down the line, I mean we all know how heavy we rely on computers these days especially in business.

@Johnny Casil: Have you tried telling the guy he's more of a burden to the team than anything? Also what do you do for a living? What degree did you do?

This also applies to things like English, Math, Science, etc. Just find what you're good at and enjoy, and then do that. I'm not saying you might not eventually grow to like CS. But if you hate it now, it just gets harder down the line...
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I'm not saying I totally hate computer science but the modules I'm currently doing I find really boring. There are certain things I do enjoy like programming in java and programming practice. Computer Science is so broad I could just about do anything with it, I like having variety in my subject and this gives me just that I just have to get past this year or semester and then I get to enjoy the other modules.
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