tbh i have NVER seen a bejewelled remake

(as in re-makes of bejeweled, pong, and pinball).

Are you seriously implying that fucking games like : Lingering Forsaken, Lucid Awakening, Dhux's Scar , Tales from Zilmurik, (good job on the "imaginative" naming guys) are better than Machinarium, Spelunky, Runman, Time Fcuk (neither being some bejeweled clones).

When people are using a program that are limiting their freedom to create novel game play, created a community of leeches that suck up the materials of last decade's games and off a very limited liberty (WTF?) of programming, I don't call this a tool for expressive artwork. And what the hell is a good story to you ? The ones featured in most jrpgs with androgynous angsty teenage boys waving sword to "save the world" from "an ancient evil" and falling in love with the party's healer.

Are you seriously implying that fucking games like : Lingering Forsaken, Lucid Awakening, Dhux's Scar , Tales from Zilmurik, (good job on the "imaginative" naming guys) are better than Machinarium, Spelunky, Runman, Time Fcuk (neither being some bejeweled clones).

No, it is not a fair comparison and was never meant to be.

Yes horrors were made on Game Maker, Flash and C+ but nothing made with rpgmaker was or will ever be as good as what other tools can produce. But please go ahead and show some games made with rpgmaker that are of the calibre of the many indie games that were featured on the main site.

While you do this I'll finish my university, get married, have children and and buy a bungalow.

I was making an over-generalization, but sadly I don't think that the OP was when talking about indie game making in general and that is scary. It's scary because he is a product of the (and I feel like repeating myself here for the 10th topic that is in the last few weeks) incestuous game making community that has been growing here in the last 6 years or so. You all are so busy looking at screenshots of the same kind of games over and over again and stroking each others ego ("oh! I love your use of that chipset" or "oh! nice custom CBS") that you start feeding off each others ideas and slowly all of the games started to look like the same. The members of the little circle can tell the difference between each others games ("pfft, that guy never uses the 3 tiles rule") but to the rest of GW, shit, the rest of the world, it's all the same thing. Sure, one or two will break the mold once in a while but if it wasn't one in the morning here I'd go around each topics on this board and look at the games and prove how alike they all are. The only people that are able of truly breaking that mold are the ones that stay on the side of this whole mess, like Hundley and thecatamites with 78641 and Paul Moose. Or maybe because they did not use rpgmaker or make a jrpg.

Rpgmaker is dead and you should stop playing with the corpse so we can bury it. Once it's done, we can get on with serious indie game making business. Trying to break barriers, trying to say something meaningful and not just tell the tale of some hero through CBS, CMS and awkward "cutscenes", but though meaningful gameplay and design.

You can have your fun with it if you like but GW should be about something else.

Great, you proved my point. They all are great (more or less) because they all did something different with the tool they had. Maybe I am giving an hard time to rpgmaker but it's because it is associated with those awful games that are populating (or polluting) the forum.

Right, but shitty rpgmaker games (and the people making them) are a big GW problem.