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you read ONE (1) Shakespeare play, from the sounds of it in middle school or 9th grade at the latest and you think you know what you're talking about, but you think you know what you're talking about but not enough to even do it yourself. Like how the fuck?

i honestly cannot comprehend the level of thought this guy is functioning on.
And I honestly cannot comprehend the level of reading of you guy. Because I did not say I have much clue about Shakespeare... surely not enough to do it without that translator.

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yes, that's when civilized people use a THESAURUS. you should probably be pretty angry with your teachers for never telling you what it is.
Lol, looks like Thesaurus' translator is the same as on Google. Fail.

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you want your dialogue in a specific style for creative reasons, but are unwilling to do the work yourself. THIS MEANS YOU ARE LAZY.
If I talk in English on the internet and I don't know one word... am I lazy because I look it up in the dictionary and not reading Dan Brown first in hope to find it in his books?

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your vocabulary is incompatible with old english vocabularies, so you'll end up with whatever half-assed dialogue you come up with that occasionally misspells words that had undergone some sort of documented change.
That's why I want the translator, because MY vocabulary is incompatible, but the translator has the right words.

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you're seriously better off ripping lines from shakespeare directly and basing your work around them.
I already tried it. But how would you like to read ''It was the lark and not the nightinggale'' as the first sentence in a game? -__-'

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It's the same thing as English-language films set in other countries, the characters aren't speaking in the language of that country but for the sake of telling the story nobody cares.  You're only going to be hurting your game by trying to write this way.
If those films can do it, why not me too?

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google translator would be even more work. If you looked up "work" from English to Italian, it'll show you 8 nouns and 19 verbs. Then you get to spend a lot of time looking up each word to figure out in which context it's talking about. and you'd also have to have a basic understanding of italian verb conjugation to figure how to say "you work(plural)" without it showing you the translation of "you work(singular)".
No.

Edit: What's with the links? What's wrong about searching for help in the friendly community of GW? Is it forbidden or what? (I'm btw still searching for the Jabba samples...)
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the infamous "Shakesbeer Translat0r" troll topique (14 pg.)
the infamous "Women Can't Make Games" troll topique (18 pg.)

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If those films can do it, why not me too?

what i was saying is that you can write an old-timey story with modern english.  so uh yeah thanks for agreeing with my point there, if they don't have to translate a film set in germany into german you don't have to translate your game into shakespeare


also thanks alec now i know this game is full of nude women, turok sounds and jabba the hutt.  and poor shakespeare.
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if those were all for one game then I will have to reconsider not playing it.
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if those were all for one game then I will have to reconsider not playing it.
that's what i'm saying. help. this. man. i will do whatever i can my dear deacon! let me be your translation device!
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Lady Helmsley awakened to the sight of her love who sat by her side and both smiled. "Alas my dear love!" she said. "It is providence that brought our souls together for eternity despite of the disapproval of the wicked Catholic Church in Rome that has condemned us to an eternal afterlife in the bowels of hell. I am thankful for our secret love and oath to keep it a secret. I see that the morning rooster has not made his daily call yet. For what purposes my love do you awaken me at such an hour? The sun is yet to shine and you interrupt my deep slumber. Come hither my love and join me under the blankets for I am nude and my body belongs to you as yours belongs to mines. Undress and join me under these blankets for I am hornier than the bravest of all knights after coming back from battle. My vagina tingles for the swift penetration of your fingers. Come hither before sunlight brightens all as no one can see us in the darkess!"
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What kind of book about Romeo and Juliet did you read? Few of them are in the contemporary lingo, as far as I recall: most have been edited to be readable to people nowadays.

Mind you that the way people spoke in Shakespeare's plays is not at all indicative of what the general public said. In fact, it was incomprehensible for them.
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Mind you that the way people spoke in Shakespeare's plays is not at all indicative of what the general public said. In fact, it was incomprehensible for them.
where did you hear this?
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What kind of book about Romeo and Juliet did you read?
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where did you hear this?

I can't quite remember exactly what place, but I do recall reading that Shakespeare coined many new terms, and that his plays were both hard to understand and difficult to follow for the common man. Only the upper-class people were able to follow them to some degree, but still had to guess the meaning of quite a number of words because Shakespeare made up quite a few.

A quick Google query turns this site up, but as it says, "How many of these are true coinages by "the Bard", and how many are simply the earliest written attestations of a word or words already in use, I can't tell you."

The book I recall reading simply declared the common folk couldn't at all follow his plays, and the higher classes needed to use some effort.

Mind you, Queen's English as a whole in that time was incomprehensible for the common man. Not to say Shakespeare's work was written in Queen's English (my knowledge herein falls short), but since I read both those things I am wont to believe that commoners didn't understand Shakespearian English.


He went through this version most likely.

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this is the worst idea, any comic book that does this is the worst too

Another entry from my self appointed contrarian. I think, just once, I'll actually give you a bad metaphor so you know what it is like.

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Play the game and then judge.

Well, it's one of those thing we can guess pretty early. There's two thing giving away the potential quality of your game: your topic and your previous game in your sig.
I'll go on a limb and say it won't be good.

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Another entry from my self appointed contrarian. I think, just once, I'll actually give you a bad metaphor so you know what it is like.

"Opinions are like songs by the Smiths: Some girls are bigger than others."

hello i am sorry that you happen to be the person defending a horrible copout in writing but it has nothing to do with YOU, it just has to do with what you said.  sorry that it just happens to be you that made that post, i would have replied the same way to anyone because saying "PRETEND THIS IS WRITTEN IN OLDE ENGLISHE" is the dumbest thing and i didn't even know any comic book would sink that low
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did you miss where he asked you for a link to his local library

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hello i am sorry that you happen to be the person defending a horrible copout in writing but it has nothing to do with YOU, it just has to do with what you said.  sorry that it just happens to be you that made that post, i would have replied the same way to anyone because saying "PRETEND THIS IS WRITTEN IN OLDE ENGLISHE" is the dumbest thing and i didn't even know any comic book would sink that low

When I used to read comic books there were a couple of times the "translated from" thing was used for Japanese and, in one case, Gaelic (if memory serves). Nobody else suggested it, so it seemed like something slightly creative to use as an alternative. Instead of just using regular dialogue and going for the "well, the people in France in this movie aren't speaking French, I'll just suspend my belief and roll with it," my "cop out" at least explains why the dialogue would not be in keeping with the setting.

I think the focus should be on what is said, not on how it is being said. The stories of many home brew games can be difficult enough to make sense of anyway, if there is any sense to be made of them in the first place. Shoehorning in a dialect that the author isn't familiar with doesn't seem like it would make that process go any easier.

I prefer the sound of things set in the Victorian era over ones set in/written in the Elizabethan anyway. You can keep the thees and thous, and I can be happy with "...as he perambulated around this garden of unearthly delights like a vicar on holiday..."
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Velfarre um that comic book thing is basically exactly what you mentioned earlier with the movies. the movie takes place in Spain??? but they...speak English???
its the same thing in the comic books only they make it a little more obvious I guess.
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the example killer wolf gave before was terrible. translating from japanese or french is one thing, but * translated from shakespearian english is just dumb.
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yea but it's still kind of the same thing she suggested to batista here. use suspension of disbelief and whatnot and just pretend they're speaking in Shakespearian english instead of making it horribly dumb and stupid with actual/half-assed Shakespearian english.
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Suspension of disbelief isn't the same thing as blatantly saying "IMAGINE THIS:  "

It's one thing to have people in Germany speaking English because that's the language of the film, it would be another if the film started off with a title card that said "PRETEND THIS IS IN GERMAN".  That's the difference.
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I want to make a movie that's just a 2 hour title card with the words "PRETEND THERE IS A MOVIE HAPPENING HERE"
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