The fact is, if you have a 360, you have the best of both worlds. You have the modern hits plus you have the live arcade and indie games to download. So if you are a fan of the ways games are today you can buy overpriced titles like Halo or Gears. And if you are a fan of fun games you can download the arcade and indie games. Problem solved.

i'm being completely serious.

No, you aren't.

I was watching that Bad Mojo game in the other topic and I think I mentioned it already but it's like games now are worried about being too gross, or having like, OLD people etc., it's not just about challenge imo it's about fucking with the player.

Although it's not even so much that I expect them to make me angry or sad or happy or whatever but even bewildered would be something.

I might have come off as emphasizing challenge as difficulty, game mechanics or enemies too much, although it's a good and straight-forward example of what I'm trying to say, I mean challenge in a broader sense. Basically it can be anything, that doesn't immediately reveal everything it has. That would like if a book's name back cover would sum it up so well you wouldn't actually have to read the book. There's no other level than the surface, when you scratch it beneath is just cardboard on which it's all glued.

We had a long talk about this with Ramci and a friend of ours, and I'm very confident things are going to get better and even out in the future. I think the whole game industry, even the whole gaming culture, is still going through the phase of realising for the first time that games can be popular, they can sell masses and they can be widely accepted as a part of pop culture and everyday lives. Once that's no longer news and the fever passes, things are going to normalize and settle to a pretty stable balance just like all the other art forms have, where there's the entertainment side (which mostly dominates sales figures) and then there's the art side and a lot of shades in between, living side by side. Right now there seems to be a ridiculously big gap between indie art games and big commercial releases, and the latter not only dominates sales, but media attention (even in field specific releases, not just mass media) and the number of releases.

By the way, can anyone tell me, if any other art forms have went through similar phases? Music, literature and graphic arts all have such a history that it really doesn't work like that, but what about films? They were born out of technology the same way games were, though they obviously have a lot stronger roots in drama than games could be said to have in board games or sports or whatever.

sorry yeah it was Legend

and they mention the Comedy Central thing on wikipedia

neither game has anything to do with final fantasy anyway does it

I believe that the Final Fantasy: Legend series and Final Fantasy Adventure belong to the Romancing Saga and Seiken Densetsu series respectively, most likely for marketing purposes.

I believe that a shift in the demographic appeal of video games more recently as led to developing for more of the mainstream as opposed to keeping the gamer mentality in mind. More developers are focused on a rememberable cinematic experience and pushing polygons as opposed focusing on neat gameplay implementations that essentially make them fun and worthwhile. It seems that they're forced to do this even if it means sacrificing how they believe a game should be properly made, since a greater appeal TODAY bears a different meaning than it did 10-15 years ago during an age that catered to a smaller range of people. But sometimes I wonder how valid this theory actually is. It seems like the industry has always been in an an inner struggle to be better than the competition aesthetically and even then there is about as much unplayable shit today as there was back then, just now it LOOKS much more pleasing and sometimes plays a little better. And how can focusing on one element make you deviate from the entire process of making something that's fun to play? Are developers really focused on and bent on producing something with mass appeal so much that other qualities are overlooked?

I don't know, to be honest, but I really dont think that developers are skimping out on qualities that would draw in more gamer parents or someone who's interest previously didn't include a SNES jRPG or DOS text-based game that primarily those who label themselves as gamers would legitmately enjoy. I know that this is extremely cliche but ill probably come up with something that's a little more worthwhile to read later.

Seriously though, a lot of the propositions and ideas in here are pretty clever so I should read them to get a little more insight on the appeal of past and current generation games.