Topic: A year has almost passed since his historic inauguration, ...how's President Obama done? (Read 3642 times)

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Imperialist? Do you even know what that means? Imperialism is if he wanted to stay there indefinitely and somehow have the US gain from staying. He's said repeatedly that he wants to move out responsibly by 2011, no one wants these wars, especially him. But destroying Al Qaeda once and for all is keeping him from just up and leaving. If this isn't done, it's possible we could have another 9/11 on our hands. He doesn't want THAT blood on his hands. These are tough times, and the reason some people are dissatisfied is not really because of him, but because of the situation and the fact that there isn't a fully right answer.

Health care reform isn't a disaster, the AMA fully supports it. Some far-left liberals are fuming because it doesn't have the public option. Obama was 1 person away from getting it done, but like he said, it has almost every measure he campaigned for, except the public option. It'll do a lot of good, just watch.
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Health care reform isn't a disaster, the AMA fully supports it. Some far-left liberals are fuming because it doesn't have the public option. Obama was 1 person away from getting it done, but like he said, it has almost every measure he campaigned for, except the public option. It'll do a lot of good, just watch.


What's up dude, in the U.S. there are no far left liberals in the senate or in the house.  or in the presidents office.  Obama is a few shades darker than bush, and only two steps to the left.  Other than that, ur ok.
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He sent 30,000 more troops to afghanistan, 2.75 billion dollars more to Israel (with 10% unemployment here in America) the dollar's weaker than ever and china holds 2/3 of our current 12 trillion dollar debt
The latter two claims are hardly his fault, in fact his health care reform'll not only be deficit neutral but save $132 billion dollars over the next 10 years, and more going forward. And he's sending the additional 30,000 not because he's a warmonger, but because he wants what everyone wants: to FINISH this war, and to do so responsibly. You can't move forward with the status quo. It's a very young presidency, you have to give it time to see if what he plans is working... he had some 10 meetings with top advisors before making the decision, I'm pretty sure he knows more about what's happening that everyone here can say. 
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HAHAHA only far-left people support public healthcare????

My god, Americans are such cunts
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Imperialist? Do you even know what that means? Imperialism is if he wanted to stay there indefinitely and somehow have the US gain from staying. He's said repeatedly that he wants to move out responsibly by 2011, no one wants these wars, especially him. But destroying Al Qaeda once and for all is keeping him from just up and leaving. If this isn't done, it's possible we could have another 9/11 on our hands. He doesn't want THAT blood on his hands. These are tough times, and the reason some people are dissatisfied is not really because of him, but because of the situation and the fact that there isn't a fully right answer.

Health care reform isn't a disaster, the AMA fully supports it. Some far-left liberals are fuming because it doesn't have the public option. Obama was 1 person away from getting it done, but like he said, it has almost every measure he campaigned for, except the public option. It'll do a lot of good, just watch.

It's been 11 months, you can't expect him to have everything done this early. What's important is, he's beginning to get things rolling: from climate change and carbon emission caps, to nuclear disarmament (even won the nobel peace prize, albeit a bit prematurely but still won it because of his EFFORT which is the point of this entire argument by the way), to regaining the standing of respect to the rest of the world.



That's not bad considering HOW much stuff he had on his plate when he first walked into office. Today, less than a year later, the economy has begun to bounce back, jobs aren't being shed per month but rather gained, it's on its track.

Effort my friend, you cannot say he hasn't put that forth. If you do, you're a blind man speaking out of anger over his policies.
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Imperialist? Do you even know what that means? Imperialism is if he wanted to stay there indefinitely and somehow have the US gain from staying. He's said repeatedly that he wants to move out responsibly by 2011, no one wants these wars, especially him. But destroying Al Qaeda once and for all is keeping him from just up and leaving. If this isn't done, it's possible we could have another 9/11 on our hands. He doesn't want THAT blood on his hands. These are tough times, and the reason some people are dissatisfied is not really because of him, but because of the situation and the fact that there isn't a fully right answer.
I mean imperialist in the marxist sense("new imperialism"), and yes if you read anything past what has been said in speeches you'd know that the us intends to stay in afghanistan indefinitely. Currently the insurgent groups being targeted in pashtun tribal regions of afghanistan and pakistan are not affiliated with what's referred to as al queda, but rather various taliban groups that have taken up arms after being excluded from the corrupt and unpopular puppet government. I don't buy that this war is over stopping the spread of terror, and it has in fact contributed to the popularity of violent extremism of the sort that is responsible for the attacks on 911. I mean this isn't a secret anywhere outside of the popular narrative presented by th US government and neither is the fact that the US is responsible for more deaths of innocent people than any other group in that region. A fully right answer is an end to all wars, end of story. I never expected that from the obama presidency as he was campaigning for the position of commander in chief of the nation with the most powerful military-industrial complex on the planet, but that doesn't mean I can't criticize this administration as I did the one before.
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Health care reform isn't a disaster, the AMA fully supports it. Some far-left liberals are fuming because it doesn't have the public option. Obama was 1 person away from getting it done, but like he said, it has almost every measure he campaigned for, except the public option. It'll do a lot of good, just watch.
I'm sorry but blocking funding for abortions and lack of a public option effectively neuter the bill. Healthcare costs for the uninsured may be subsidized a bit, but all that money will be going into the pockets of the private insurance companies(who also spent a lot of money lobbying to transform the current bill). The movement for a single-payer socialized healthcare model should not accept this compromise and continue to push for that goal.
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It's been 11 months, you can't expect him to have everything done this early. What's important is, he's beginning to get things rolling: from climate change and carbon emission caps, to nuclear disarmament (even won the nobel peace prize, albeit a bit prematurely but still won it because of his EFFORT which is the point of this entire argument by the way), to regaining the standing of respect to the rest of the world.

That's not bad considering HOW much stuff he had on his plate when he first walked into office. Today, less than a year later, the economy has begun to bounce back, jobs aren't being shed per month but rather gained, it's on its track.

Effort my friend, you cannot say he hasn't put that forth. If you do, you're a blind man speaking out of anger over his policies.
Effort for what though? Who is this man(or any president) serving? Where do these policies lead and who stands to gain from them? Obama as an individual is of little concern to me, but I'm not convinced he's serving anyones interests other than those of the ruling class. You might think its blindness but I see it as knowing where I stand on things and a refusal to abandon taking a principled stand on issues and critical thinking in favor of nice-sounding platitudes and compromise.
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I don't get it though, why would the US want to stay in Afghanistan indefinitely? What do we have to gain from it? Being there is just costing us more money ($1,000,000 per soldier per year), more lives, and is in the end an unpopular war overall. But, if we just happen to pull out right now, wouldn't Al Qaeda regain more power, and just continue on where they left of? And shouldn't we bring out this force to finish them off once and for all (a very tough objective I know, but there isn't a good alternative).

Back to health care reform... by mandating everyone to get coverage (but people up to age 26 to be covered under their parents plan... so this'll help those still in school/just starting work), prices should begin to go down. The reason premiums go up in the first place is because it's taking more money to cover those who need it; however, if a host of young healthy people (and millions who don't have it either) being to pay money into the system, the commonwealth pool will increase allowing premiums to go down for everyone just because there'll be more money for them to get coverage from. There will be an insurance exchange established as well, allowing for competition between private insurance companies across the nation (95% of people in Alabama for example have to go with Blue Cross Blue Shield essentially establishing a monopoly here). A public option would be better, but with the exchange and a greater common pool, premiums should go down. It still gets me how Lieberman, one guy, shot down the public option. It's not fully gone, as the Senate and House COULD bring it back after tough negotiations between the two bills... but I'm not going to hold by breath.

As for Obama as a person, I don't know I feel like he's one of the most sincere and honest people out there in politics, who really gives it his all in everything he's fighting for.Everything he'll go for seems to be an uphill battle, especially because of the sharp polarization of the Senate and House since his election, but I'll be keeping up with him, and cheering him on for the next 3, hopefully 7, years!

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I don't get it though, why would the US want to stay in Afghanistan indefinitely? What do we have to gain from it? Being there is just costing us more money ($1,000,000 per soldier per year), more lives, and is in the end an unpopular war overall. But, if we just happen to pull out right now, wouldn't Al Qaeda regain more power, and just continue on where they left of? And shouldn't we bring out this force to finish them off once and for all (a very tough objective I know, but there isn't a good alternative).
you don't get it because you're not paying attention which is also why you continue to conflate al qaeda with the taliban/militant pashtun insurgency. I'm not convinced you even have a clear idea of what is actually happening middle east/central asia because you're basically echoing the neocon line on Iraq: "we're spreading freedom, if we pull out the terrorists win."
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Back to health care reform... by mandating everyone to get coverage (but people up to age 26 to be covered under their parents plan... so this'll help those still in school/just starting work), prices should begin to go down. The reason premiums go up in the first place is because it's taking more money to cover those who need it; however, if a host of young healthy people (and millions who don't have it either) being to pay money into the system, the commonwealth pool will increase allowing premiums to go down for everyone just because there'll be more money for them to get coverage from. There will be an insurance exchange established as well, allowing for competition between private insurance companies across the nation (95% of people in Alabama for example have to go with Blue Cross Blue Shield essentially establishing a monopoly here). A public option would be better, but with the exchange and a greater common pool, premiums should go down. It still gets me how Lieberman, one guy, shot down the public option. It's not fully gone, as the Senate and House COULD bring it back after tough negotiations between the two bills... but I'm not going to hold by breath.
I don't believe that. The health insurance industry is one of the most profitable industries in history and you'd have to be incredibly naive to think that costs on the consumer end will go down due to a larger pool. Do you really think that the shareholders and boards of directors of these companies are going to say "hey we're making so much money here, let's reduce costs for the sake of doing a good thing"? Insurers have been getting away with gouging the public because they can due to the lack of an alternative for consumers. This is why they invested so much in campaigns and lobbying efforts to oppose the creation of a public option.
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As for Obama as a person, I don't know I feel like he's one of the most sincere and honest people out there in politics, who really gives it his all in everything he's fighting for.Everything he'll go for seems to be an uphill battle, especially because of the sharp polarization of the Senate and House since his election, but I'll be keeping up with him, and cheering him on for the next 3, hopefully 7, years!
that's your prerogative homie, frankly I see a huge discrepancy between what was promised and what's being presented.
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i'm going to point out that the british MP who came over to america to say that 'the nhs don't work' (and convinced all the people less intelligent than a boiled sweet that we are all wounded cripples over here, dying in line to get treatment) is on the payrole of one of america's largest healthcare firms
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Man what a bad secret Muslim... He's caused the killing of his own people and there's no end in sight!

His foreign policy is just as bad the right winged republicans and Bush... He won the nobel "PEACE" prize for sending in more troops into Afghanistan, thereby increasing the debt and military spending and more importantly, the death of a mass number of innocent civilians.. (All I've seen in news reports are innocent civilians getting killed from U.S. bombings)... Bleh, same old story... Mass murderers in charge..

But at least his domestic policies are on the right track. Health care reform, etc. sounds promising.
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He won the Nobel prize because ever since the people in charge missed out on Gandhi they wanna give as many important people as possible the prize so they don't miss out on them either. you know, "just in case they do something that deserves it but die before we can give it to them"
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Despite all the criticism, is he atleast the best we got? Or should someone else be running things? One of the reason I'm so thankful to have Obama in the office is because he's a very calm, cool, and pragmatic leader. He takes bold action, but never in a rash way. He'll think it through, exhaust every possibility, and move on with what he thinks is the right move. He'll go against his party's ideologies, if he needs to to do what he believes is right.

We all sent him to the white house, and put an immense amount of our trust and hope in him. By just doing that, we should have at least some faith that he'll do the right thing, to the best of his abilities. To the best, of his abilities

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I believe that he is a good speaker and he will do whatever he is allowed and capable of doing just like almost every president we've ever had, I'll give you that.
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Despite all the criticism, is he atleast the best we got? Or should someone else be running things? One of the reason I'm so thankful to have Obama in the office is because he's a very calm, cool, and pragmatic leader. He takes bold action, but never in a rash way. He'll think it through, exhaust every possibility, and move on with what he thinks is the right move. He'll go against his party's ideologies, if he needs to to do what he believes is right.

We all sent him to the white house, and put an immense amount of our trust and hope in him. By just doing that, we should have at least some faith that he'll do the right thing, to the best of his abilities. To the best, of his abilities
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staying in afganistan/iraq until there's no more fighting is winning the war not stopping it, btw.

i don't know what's going on with health insurance, making it mandatory increases demand not supply which increases the price consumers can and will pay and smug economic breakdowns. keeping the providers private also contributes to the major cause of america being weird as hell and that's MASSIVE CORPORATE PUPPET MASTERS

the economy would've gotten better anyway and iirc the bailouts were issued before his inauguration.
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Despite all the criticism, is he atleast the best we got? Or should someone else be running things? One of the reason I'm so thankful to have Obama in the office is because he's a very calm, cool, and pragmatic leader. He takes bold action, but never in a rash way. He'll think it through, exhaust every possibility, and move on with what he thinks is the right move. He'll go against his party's ideologies, if he needs to to do what he believes is right.

We all sent him to the white house, and put an immense amount of our trust and hope in him. By just doing that, we should have at least some faith that he'll do the right thing, to the best of his abilities. To the best, of his abilities
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