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Herzog actually had a ship dragged up and down a mountain in the amazon rainforest.

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I just watched Millenium Mambo which is a movie by a guy called Hsiao-Hsien Hou and it's set in Taiwan and Japan. It was PRETTY good but there were a couple of things.

If you want to see a movie about hot taiwanese folk doin' drugs and getting really excitable then this is a cool movie for you. It's kind of about youth and about how young people with opportunities have kind of nice lives you like to watch,  but are also kind of assholes alot of the time. It's a good looking and sounding movie. Here is a link to the main theme of the movie:


The title might put you off cos it sounds a little dumb huh, but it's just a bad translation I think. It's got nothing to do with mambo. The only dancing is to hard trance music. If you're gonna check it out then don't read the rest of my post cos I'm gonna talk about what happens and ruin things, although there is barely a plot!

Okay so the two main characters for most of the movie are pretty horrible, both as people and to each other. The main character, Vicky, is more sympathetic but she's still stuck in a hell of a rut for...absolutely no reason??? The first hour and a half of the movie is about Vicky and her asshole boyfriend Hao-Hao and how they can't stand each other but won't leave each other. Hao-Hao is DJ, and Vicky works as a hostess at a club. You pretty much just watch their kind of empty and frustrating lives for a while, until it becomes clear that Vicky is open to feeling something more than this. She heads off to Japan on a trip with a couple of friends and has a really good time but then goes back home to Hao-Hao and eventually he beats her up a bit and she leaves him for good. She stays with her boss/friend Jack, who has a little talk with her about what she wants to do now. She doesn't know, she's confused and drunk all the time and doesn't really care. By the end of the movie, she decides to go back to Japan which is where we leave her as she is learning japanese and seems happier than she's ever been. It's a nice ending and the movie left me feeling nice, but there isn't any real resolution given to things here. She doesn't find her way or anything like that, I think she just learns to be happy and that's an important thing to know!

So I think the movie is about how much choice young people have today in affluent areas and how much temptation there is to just lead empty and frustrating lives, and how it's possible to break free of all of that and look for some quieter kind of happiness that is ultimately more fulfilling! Maybe.

It's also a bit superficial, because just being YOUNG is romanticised a bit too much. I mean being young is good! But I think I was supposed to be a bit more caught up in just how damn hot all these cool people were than I was. Maybe not, but the romantic music playing all the time makes me think I was.

i'm sorry these posts all ramble quite a bit, but i am not so great at organising ideas and thoughts on things on the fly i think. Anyway I thought it was a kind of feel-good film about being young and finding some direction, while having some cool subtext in there about the how empty and crazed an environment modern cities can be.

I'm really enjoying getting into all this chinese stuff (i mean this is from taiwan but it's still A china!). It's probably a passing phase but I am kind of wrapped up in alot of stuff coming from that area of the world right now. It's all very exciting, but I don't know what I really think of it yet. I just really like feeling like I am beginning to get a sense of something as huge as china and south east asia in general and what it's all about over there.
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and since its his birthday lets get some Kurosawa love going. Hardly obscure, but he's a real filmmakers favourite. Ran, Seven Samurai, happy bday Akira!

Happy B-day, Akira! yep i love alot of his movies, too! it's all good. man oh man.
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here is that TIFF list for anybody who is interested in it. i can personally recommend most of these movies! except a couple which stink and a couple which i haven't seen.

it's an overload but what i did was just save the list on my desktop and anytime i wanted to watch a film and didn't have any ideas in particular, i'd just pick one from this and watch. i think that's a good way to look at it.



Gee whiz i've only heard of two movies in there... I like to save movie lists like these on notepad docs so this ones going there. I try to keep my eye out for more foreign film too, you are not alone at all, bub.

What I would recommend:

Breathless (Godard, French)
Children of Heaven (Majidi, Iran)
The Band's Visit (Kolirin, Israel)
Cinema Paradiso (Tornatore, Italy) this is my favorite movie ever btw
Raise the Red Lantern (Yimou, China)
Los Olvidados (Bunuel, Mexico)

I like to look for middle eastern filmmakers too. I have Chop Shop sitting on my hard drive and I still need to see Goodbye Solo. So many movies to see, man...
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I'm just about to watch Black God White Devil. It's written and directed by a fella called Glauber Rocha, and is a big film in Brazil's Cinema Novo period of the 60s. I'll report back on it later.

Master Tea: I love Cinema Paradiso as well. What a movie.

oh oh oh what about French New wave? everyone always goes on about Godard and with good reason (Bande a parte, Breathless, Alphaville)...i think someone mentioned Breathless in this topic. I really prefer Francois Truffaut (most known for Jules et Jim). Day for Night (Nuit l'americain) is one of my all time favourite movies. Plus his only English language role was in Close Encounters.
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I watched breathless a year or two ago. what's good about it? I wrote it off as historically significant but contemporarily dumb and boring
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i just watched something called les glaneurs et la glaneuse which means 'the gleaners and I'. it is mostly about people who scavenge, scower and rummage for whatever reason: necessity, ethics, art collection, all of those? It's really cool and it's made and narrated by a pretty likeable old lady who is a total goof through most of the movie. not too many goofy old ladies making docs, and this was one of the most interesting documentaries i have seen. i'll write more a bit later but check it out. i think just about anybody would like this. it's in french with subtitles and set around france, mostly.

it's got:

- a guy who makes totem poles out of junk and broken dolls
- discussion about the amount of wasted food, and how you can find so much stuff just thrown away
- a funny old lady goofing around and talking about how it feels getting older
- cool shots of food being prepared, food processing, stuff like that
- a bunch of eccentric people doing stuff centred around unowned objects, things which have been thrown away and wasted crops
- a pretty wide portrait of various kinds of stuff that goes on around france

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I watched breathless a year or two ago. what's good about it? I wrote it off as historically significant but contemporarily dumb and boring

i haven't seen breathless in years but i do remember not liking it as much as some of godards other movies. i watched one he directed only a few years ago (edit-it's called eloge de l'amour) and man...i fucking hated it. it was so irritating. but there are a bunch of movies he directed in the 60's which i really liked, at least when i saw them i did!

i think the main character in breathless was obsessed with humphrey bogart or something, right? i remember thinking that was WAY COOL when i was 16 but i don't think i would now unless it was some commentary on how stupid hollywood has always been. not to say i don't like humphrey bogart films but i think making a movie be some kind of detatched homage to a hollywood personality like him is kind of gross i think. maybe that's not what the film is about at all, like i said i haven't seen it in ages but i remember it being very concerned with America being cool.

breathless seems lifeless and superficial in my memory. i should watch it again sometime to see. i've still got it on dvd. i remember liking vivre sa vie. also i just remember alphaville right now because i watched that when i was like 15 and it probably went over my head - even if it didn't i can barely remember it so i should see that again. i don't know what i think of jean-luc godard really. i know all his male protagonists are pricks and all his female ones are tragically beautiful and act insane.
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Breathless was big deal in a few ways, but most of all because it was influential as hell. The stories behind its production are rather astounding: every scene was written the morning it was to be shot, its use of jump cuts (considered revolutionary at the time) werent even premeditated rather more accidental and an afterthought, no extras were hired so they just went out and filmed expansive shots in the street, using wheelchairs for tracking shots, timed shots for certain lighting, etc.

keep in mind that the movie arrived during the so called "golden age" of hollywood or whatever in the 70s, and a boatload of characters were emulated from the "gangster" dude michel. i think Godard only put Bogie in there because I know he loved american films and probably idolized Bogie in a similar way but also in this case it really helps the character, because he puts up this huge whole facade that he's a tough guy, and this helps compare michel with patricia. patricia in the end seems more evil than michel because she's not confused, and rather enigmatic.

Its cool, detached style and these self-adoring characters that put no regard into authority or the world around them was very attractive at the time; basically Breathless is awesome because it made hollywood movies obsolete, in a sense.
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next youll be praising vertigo for its brilliant score and revolutionary use of telescoping......

but seriously I see what you're saying and I can appreciate all of that but it doesn't make watching the film any better for me. and yeah, I assumed the bogart obsession was to show how the main character is impressionable and immature and wants to be a cool guy. I don't remember the girl being evil tho, so I might watch it again. I haven't seen any other godard movies
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vertigo had some baller sex scenes dog. dvda all the way

i should mention she wasn't really EVIL per se, i mean that michel is a criminal horndog and murders to preserve his freedom, and in the last couple scenes of the film patricia seems more calculating and ruthless in comparison. I don't particularly like citizen kane or Renoir's the rules of the game, but breathless, kane, and game all made turning points in the cinema and its nice to know why. if one doesn't like the film in the end, then thats that. not a big deal
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I just watched Synecdoche, New York and it was good. It's a film by Charlie Kaufman, who is pretty famous and I am surprised this wasn't more of a hit than it was because I remember Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless mind was pretty big? Maybe that was because it had Jim Carrey in it.

It was abou how people are obsessed with themselves and believe they are going to be famous and are very important, but we are actually not any more important than anybody else and that we're all going to die! It was kind of depressing, and it's a deliberately disorienting film (it seemed deliberate, and it makes sense for it to be). I think alot of people thought it was pretentious. It had high goals I think but I don't think striving for something like this film did makes it pretentious because I thought it did actually have a some interesting things to say. It feels like it's a grand, big thing because the main character of the movie is creating this ridiculously large theatre production, but I think that how aimless and formless the production became is the point of all of this, not how big it is, or how big it seems.

Time passes really quickly in the movie, without you realising it at first, and that is the disorienting part. I think it's supposed to be because you really feel like things are moving very quickly and things keep changing without any explanation, and everyone gets old and is gonna be dead soon! Actually, most of the main characters are dead by the end of the film. I just realised that. So it's also about doing important things before you are dead.

The film keeps retreating on itself until everything is discussed from a second or third remove. The main characters all have counterparts within the production within the film, and some of these counterparts have counterparts. It's not confusing, because you don't actually need to follow exactly how it all breaks down. The important thing is that the main character, Caden, is obsessed with his own life and that all these actors playing characters in the film are demonstrating more or less the same thing, and that is his obsession and everybody's obsession with narrativising their own lives.

Maybe you don't do that and the film maybe does seem like a load of BS, but I do and I think I understood what it was trying to say and I enjoyed it.
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I just watched Synecdoche, New York and it was good. It's a film by Charlie Kaufman, who is pretty famous and I am surprised this wasn't more of a hit than it was because I remember Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless mind was pretty big? Maybe that was because it had Jim Carrey in it.

It was abou how people are obsessed with themselves and believe they are going to be famous and are very important, but we are actually not any more important than anybody else and that we're all going to die! It was kind of depressing, and it's a deliberately disorienting film (it seemed deliberate, and it makes sense for it to be). I think alot of people thought it was pretentious. It had high goals I think but I don't think striving for something like this film did makes it pretentious because I thought it did actually have a some interesting things to say. It feels like it's a grand, big thing because the main character of the movie is creating this ridiculously large theatre production, but I think that how aimless and formless the production became is the point of all of this, not how big it is, or how big it seems.

Time passes really quickly in the movie, without you realising it at first, and that is the disorienting part. I think it's supposed to be because you really feel like things are moving very quickly and things keep changing without any explanation, and everyone gets old and is gonna be dead soon! Actually, most of the main characters are dead by the end of the film. I just realised that. So it's also about doing important things before you are dead.

The film keeps retreating on itself until everything is discussed from a second or third remove. The main characters all have counterparts within the production within the film, and some of these counterparts have counterparts. It's not confusing, because you don't actually need to follow exactly how it all breaks down. The important thing is that the main character, Caden, is obsessed with his own life and that all these actors playing characters in the film are demonstrating more or less the same thing, and that is his obsession and everybody's obsession with narrativising their own lives.

Maybe you don't do that and the film maybe does seem like a load of BS, but I do and I think I understood what it was trying to say and I enjoyed it.

Woops I just realized that Synecdoche was a typo in my post (I meant to type syndrome) but I'm glad you got the film nonetheless! I'm also surprised I've never heard anything about it - maybe because the reviews of it are so polar. It's either genius and remarkable or a grandiose heap of ambitious work that collapses onto itself.
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i don't really know if it's either. i know that is how people reacted to it, and i think it definitely wants to be genius (although i think the movie is a bit too self-aware to really get too far up it's own butt), but i think it turned out good and said some good solid things and was entertaining as well. i mean, it was pretty funny alot of the time! especially earlier on.

i would probably have never watched this movie if you hadn't made that typo. i've never really been interested in charlie kaufman.
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I just watched Synecdoche, New York and it was good. It's a film by Charlie Kaufman, who is pretty famous and I am surprised this wasn't more of a hit than it was because I remember Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless mind was pretty big? Maybe that was because it had Jim Carrey in it.


Yeah, Jim Carrey in the starring role without a doubt helped Eternal Sunshine's chances, though the story shouldn't be discounted either. People getting their memories erased? A guy getting his memory erased and then changing his mind halfway through and running around in his own mind? Great! A guy directing a real-time play about his life, culminating in a huge set of New York built in a warehouse? Yikes.

As for Kaufman himself, I'm not sure his name alone would sell a movie amongst the set that don't so much pay attention to such things. I found the marketing for the film pretty interesting (it definitely falls squarely in the "how the fuck would you market THIS?" category"). In the U.S, the posters featured a picture of the city built inside the warehouse, looking pretty cool and modern. Here in the UK it featured a photo of Philip Seymour Hoffman before a light blue background, with the title in bright pink. It just looks "quirky indie movie". The poster even featured a quote which (seriously) said something along the lines of "the funniest comedy of the year", which as anyone who's seen it will attest is ridiculous as the film, though it does have funny moments, is incredibly bleak. Spike Jonze (who was originally going to direct before handing it over to Kaufman in order to finally make Where the Wild Things Are) and Kaufman even conceived it as a horror movie!

Anyway, I liked the movie very much, though I saw it when it was out in cinemas and need to see it again, and I think it'd be one that benefits from revisiting. I do really like Charlie Kaufman, he's one of the few writers in Hollywood  writing original screenplays and is the clear author of his films, even when someone else is directing them. I like Adaptation, Being John Malkovich and Eternal Sunshine a little more than Synecdoche, though I'm not sure if having Jonze as director as originally planned would have tempered its bleakness at all, or how much of a different movie it would have been.



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i'm gonna watch syndromes and a century again real soon and do a big honking post on it hopefully!
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i watched the house is black. disturbing, depressing, and remotely beautiful.

synecdoche is next

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that song "little person" from synecdoche is very good.
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Hey Jamie, have you seen Tony Manero? I just finished watching it. Film4 is showing it all week. It's really good. It's a Chilean movie about this guy in 70s Chile under Pinochet who's kinda obsessed with John Travolta's character from Saturday Night Fever. And he kills people.
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