I might be making a controversial statement but anime kind of respected kid's intelligence by comparison as long as it's not like Nicktoons absolute cream of the crop probably 99% of the western stuff was like BEAST WARS or something at the very least I liked how a bunch of animes were 13/26 episodes specifically planned this way felt a little less like they were just making it up as they went along desparately hoping the show will get cancelled before they run out of stock/recycled ideas (this week: the decepticons plan to blow up Saturn next week: the decepticons plan to blow up Uranus) not really sure which animes I'm referring to though probably the stuff on Toonami that wasn't Dragon Ball Z. Even DBZ though it was like people fake-died and had families and felt less like automatons that rebooted every episode which is like the structure of every srs Western children's cartoon

Don't be comparing Beast wars to transformers there. There was a plot that was followed (especially after the first season, and like Beast Machines was very story driven), and it wasn't just a blank episod of nothing really happening (well, there was a couple), But things like the relationships between the characters, their scheming etc steadily developed. Everybody had a purpose. Beast Machines carried it further with a more defined story and a cool new age/eastern mysticism vibe that worked well.

sorry Kaworu

there is an American (Western-looking) cartoon that did have PROGRESSION actually, that Spider-man cartoon on FOX from the 90s. And I think it'd still be pretty hardcore to watch today. I dunno I guess I associate having characters change with time with GOOD WRITING even if they're not necessarily related, opposed to the reboot every episode most cartoons do

lol my example now was going to be THUNDERCATS but apparently reading Wikipedia they went to some whole different planet and years passed and entire civilizations are destroyed over the course of the series or something like that. I thought it was like Thundercats try to kill Mummra every episode and can't because he's a mummy and how do you kill something that's already dead??? (fucking mummies how do they work?)

Arthur (shut up, it's actually pretty good with a lot of popculture humour thrown in that only older people would get)

Don't feel bad, Arthur is the shit

hey roman what do you think about the werth trade.

ALSO
http://www.cartoonbrew.com/shorts/the-problem-solverz.html cartoon network picked up paper rad's problem solverz. looks like they're using the characters from the alfe cartoon instead of the original problem solverz crew. that means no dewey peddles I guess

I like Dexters Laboratory, Scooby Doo, tom and jerry, Cinderella, Sleeping beauty etc. But, I don’t like Johnny Bravo, it has bad impact on children’s lives. I think Johnny Bravo is an adult cartoon; it can steal away the innocence of children. That’s not fair!

ahaha

i give that bot an A++

i quite enjoyed the holy trinity of animaniacs/freakazoid/pinky & the brain

i watch pinky and the brain. i used to watch it as a kid and it's back on TV and i've been watching it again, this time round understanding a lot of the culture references i missed out on as a kid. it's still fantastic.

after rewatching rocko i'm still absolutely astounded at the kinds of things that joe murray and stephen hillenberg got away with. there was an elevator to hell (not heck), a doggy style joke and i guess there was supposed to be a premature ejaculation joke before the censors went noooope can't let you do that joe.

im gunna be the unpopular voice here, but rewatching the old fox marvel cartoons like spierman and x-men is such an ordeal.

Spiderman isn't as bad, but x-men is truely a nasty piece of work. Aside from the jim lee character designs(yuck), the pacing is really bad. Like stories are dragged to such a length that I lose interest. It's so padded. Like, it's not in the Naruto sense of having seasons of nothing happening(all seasons), but it's just like watching something in slow motion, as a series it doesn't really go anywhere apart from a few fun episodes. It could have been so better made if it was told twice as fast because very few points were really strong enough to last several episodes. And scenes like the future reality are kinda rendered moot by the sheer fact that characters in the present day were running around with robots and shooting laser guns(self imposed censorship lol) so it just didn't seem like anything different. We just had a bunch of shit liefeld characters we don't care about in a slightly less colourful version(excluding nimrod the pink robot of death) of the world. I guess it's main drawback seems to be due to it being heavily influenced by late 80's/early 90's x-men, which was shit.
Plus spending episodes on mutant racism didn't really have much impact for two reasons:
1. When the x-men comics heavily tackled the issue, it was years ago, and was relevant. For a child in the 90's groing up in a multi cultural neighbourhood, it didn't work.
2. You kinda lose out on the racism edge when your characters consist solely of stereotypes complaining about how they are being discriminated against. Again, it's a fault of using characters from the then current comics.

Spiderman is kinda really stretched out also, but it's not as bad because something happens in the padding. It successfully has like multiple branches going on at the same time, only really becoming stupid/silly because... spiderman comics are stupid/silly. But it does have some really cool episodes. Though the whole 'mutagenic nightmare act five: spiderman takes a dump chapter two: the vulture strikes' kinda thing was just a bit aghhg, because it wouldn't let one main arc finish before randomly inserting an unrelated one in the middle. But yeah, Spiderman was a vastly superior show compared to x-men. Though the more recent x-men evolution ended up being the best of the marvel cartoons released so far.

They were just trying to retell what had already been done in the comics, but in a hideously garbled fashion. DC's cartoons like Batman, Superman and later the Justice League however are excellent. They don't just try and retell, they're heavily stylised with slick Bruce Timm character designs (as opposed to the offensively 90's jim lee designs of x-men) and a glorious art deco trimming. The stories were able to be complex, and yet not stretched out, and never felt like they pandered to a child audience (Batman the animated series is truely excellent in this respect. Mad Love is one of the finest 25 minutes in cartoon history) and actually brought NEW elements to the respective francises, rather than stale rehashes.

I am well excited for the new cartoons which will emerge over the comming years based on the huge load of unreleased jack kirby designs.

Mighty Max is a fun rewatch that I'd recommend. It suprised me how good it is. It delves too often into generic childrens fun (because... it is) but there are some realy interesting characters and scenarios in it. Plus Virgil is cool.

im gunna be the unpopular voice here, but rewatching the old fox marvel cartoons like spierman and x-men is such an ordeal.

I'm surprised because it seemed good just that I already was seeing it in reruns and they re-ran certain episodes like 5000 million times while ordinary episodes were never shown at all, like that one where it's the future and apocalypse and Mr./Dr. X blows up and they have to fix the past to fix the future or some shit. Ok great cartoon moment I guess but can we see some of the other episodes

was talking about X-Men animated series sorry lol

Ex-Men the story of transsexuals

hey roman what do you think about the werth trade.

was it a trade?  I thought we picked him up on free agency.  either way I give it two thumbs up, although my knowledge of baseball is so limited that it's really more about talking shit to my friends than anything else.  I know he's a good or really good player but I don't know enough about the dynamics of baseball I guess to really know how his presence will affect the nats.  probably not enough to make us good but I'm sure it's a step in the right direction.  I also like that he actually SIGNED because I feel like everybody else is like FUCK DAT.  It took us forever to sign Strasburg and we had to give him like $8 trillion to convince him to do so so I don't know, GO CAPS etc.

anyway not to stray off topic but how do you guys think the cartoons of today stack up to the cartoons from when we were younger?  every now and then I get in a debate with my friends where they say that modern cartoons are so bad compared to what we grew up with, and I tell them that they're BLINDED BY NOSTALGIA because a lot of the shows we watched when we were young were actually pretty bad.  like kaworu mentioned spider-man and x-men were not very good shows, but these are some of the shows they'll mention because they haven't actually watched them in years.  granted shows like Batman and Hey Arnold and stuff were great and still are very good but I mean I'm sure there are cartoons today that are just as good?  except none of us would know because we are adults and we don't watch children's cartoons that we didn't at least grow up with.

granted there will never be shows like ren & stimpy and rocko again but those are in a league of their own.