OH yeah I remember learning about the bar-bar thing in school (well... not IN school... as if... I was school age) and I remember getting the horrible realization that it was literally just this
dude, everything about Rome was bro culture, I think they even had 'smonks weed, sucks a bro's dong and forgets when sober'
they had 'it's not gay if you're the one boning the dude'
Edit: jo crystals probably existed in Rome, except it invoked the pantheon or whatever
Edit: I worry now ancient Greece was just like, HOMONORMATIVE but at least they're weren't Rome lol
Edit: I think every culture that ever accepted bi had a loophole, either 'phase' or 'boys will be boys' or whatever
Edit: not boys will be boys, wild oats but gay, alternately 'gay is ok but settles down at like, whatever age'
Edit: is it true Kabuki in Japan was, first women but people fucked the women actors, then young men but people possibly the same people fucked the young men actors, then finally older men and finally that worked cause TOO BUTCH
Edit: I was suggesting in the chat that Tetsuya Nomura secretly idolizes old timey Japan pederasty. Kingdom Hearts hero learns to handle that key sword thing. And that his style is basically, yes horrible mutant of anime and emo but also young man version of imvu
Edit: did the old designer, Yoshitaka Amano, get fired or leave. Because the only worrisome thing I remember there was some art of Gau maybe, like he was way more underdressed than the actual game or nothing. And Amano is legit enough he could've just meant purity or something
Edit: shit, the one art is midriff. The other might be come hither
Edit: it could still be, when the art is the artist himself. I get the vibe