hahahaha somebodys gotta work on his embouchure!
 
Well, I finally found it!! The in retrospect extremely lame and frequently unpleasant but also kind of nastily awesome Rescue Heroes: Hurricane Havoc, which I played a lot for a brief period in my life as a very young child and I have no idea where the cd went to.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOjbfzvbXzk
Anyway I could barely remember a thing about this game apart from the general theme, sound and a few characters but watching this play all the way through, I would suddenly recall the cadences of lines right before the terrible cgi characters said them, and pretty much every second awakened some bizarre touchpoint deep in the root of my aesthetic development. The soundtrack, and just the entire sound design, with the guitars+unfriendly toylike havoc/hazard synths / overall gamma/tropical drums and strings/bleeps bloops defined a sound that's haunted and inspired me my whole life.... basically it's an IDEAL model of opn/garden of delete / ferraro Tropical Island/Vaporwave/90s Edu Rock...... the constant safety narration... won't shut up... warping techno loops + the pet rescuing bit with square icons, etc. There's one part ~12 minutes in where a cop harangues you while you're motorbiking through this insane looking city with a little grid in the interface like a pacman maze, and the control is basically Wizardly lol, and you shoot roadblocks out of the way with a gun with a switch. And I just noticed, you're like knocking over hot dog stands which must belong to people and blowing open garbage cans and just driving off, and because the refuse isn't in the road anymore it's not a matter of public safety? Great work, rookie. That's hilarious.
 
 
anyway, the most enduring / important memory I have of the game is at the part with Nemo (the dolphin member of the team) zooming through water/dodging obstacles/going up ramps. At one point, in the dolphin's clicks and whistles, I heard my name. Plain as day. I couldn't believe it. I'm pretty sure I considered that the game might have actually read my family pc account's name and happened to have it on a list, like what black and white does - i think at the time that came out i would've been six, and i possibly could've heard about it because even then i was reading about/obsessing over secrets and easter eggs in vgs. I dunno if I was playing rescue heroes that late in my life? maybe i came up with that explanation a few years later. But anyway even at the time I rejected that idea because it made no goddamn sense. I still don't know what the fuck happened in my brain to make me hear that.
 
edit: Yeesh!! I keep watching this and the textures, the sense of space and forms, the sounds are all blowing my mind. The jackhammer part w/ the bizarre rock floors/layers of grids. It's all coming back now. This game is probably 50% of why I ended up liking fucked up cgi. At the time none of it seemed awkward or choppy at all.

thanks BONZI!!!!! actually every post lately from everyone has been super good just like always. this is the best thread on any forum i've ever been on. Now I gotta shit it up with something horrible.
 
In the spirit of those absolutely soul-rending Seven___________ channels Chips posted. Sorry for the reddit dump but pretty much the whole sequence of comments were an awful punch to the gut. in the brain.
 
https://www.reddit.com/r/youtube/comments/4dfpl6/has_anyone_noticed_something_odd_about_certain/
 
 

Tbh it's the most shady channel I've ever seen. Very low view to comment/like ratio, yet gaining 40k subs daily. Fishy.

 
 

Toddlers don't like or comment on YouTube videos. Why is this even a conversation? These are clearly just moms putting on shows for their babies and kids and letting them repeat.

 
 
 

No something's definitely going on here. Type spiderman into youtube. Literally every result will be from the same channel. Pretty much every comment on every video says exactly the same thing, and has an almost identical profile picture (usually some variation of peppa pig). I think someone's testing youtube's search algorithm and how much they can fuck with it. The videos themselves are fucking bizarre though, would recommend just giving them a look.

 
edit: i actually dont even want to see this embedded this is just one of 10,000,000000
 watch?v=4A45g2DcL5k
 
this guy actually sums it up pretty well and ties it up without being annoying... i think. Except unlike he says, the content IS part of the problem. it's clearly evil.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXE6i3hOjRs
"Am I going crazy??!!"
 
apparently some enormous mysterious botnet conspiracy dumping their freakish machinations onto our human video sites. or some elaborate money trick, i guess. it's so bizarre and i guess the actors and actresses are in on it or paid by the people who set it up for the ad revenue... gummy joker giant tongue. it's so unpleasant. christ, that little kid i was talking about earlier is growing up in an age where this fucking alien nightmare nonsense is right at his fingertips!!! and now i'm feeling the exact same feeling people felt when they saw violent video games becoming easily available wtffffff i can't believe the cycle is still going.
 
edit: OH MY GOD I DIDNT WANT THIS SHIT AT THE TOP OF THE PAGE. I'm so sorry. Talk about existential crises. Why would that happen so much.
 
 
edit2: If I were to be constrained to a seat in a room where the walls are TVs showing any of the wide web of nightmares here described, I would puke. These things are like torture weapons. I skipped through one that was a straight up 40 minutes of kinder surprise egg play doh pregnant pink spiderman distilled pop-commercial bullshit that feels like it's melted a hole in my brain/soul. If it was just any old artificial content to jack ad revenue I wouldn't be so disturbed. *drinks deeply from CyberRye* *throws CyberRye bottle to the ground* Hell, kid... these days I'd be glad to see a good ol' five-minute, two-picture silent video with a fake download link. it's that this particular giant net of channels feels like it's SCOOPED its content from some fucking vile parallel dimension.

This is totally unrelated, and made me feel a lot better.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CS8d9-M0Zp8
 
I thought it was going to be a fetish video. But it isn't.

Sometime ago one of you posted Nemper, who makes this art about being violently abused by teenage boys
 
Turns out he has a youtube channel, and it is unbelievable and disturbing
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QSd3Ua2Gm8

Sometime ago one of you posted Nemper, who makes this art about being violently abused by teenage boys
 
Turns out he has a youtube channel, and it is unbelievable and disturbing

 
My god!! thanks for finding this! I never guessed that in a year of hearing about Nemper I'd be seeing dozens of innocuous-to-mostly-innocuous fan music videos of the guy himself fake playing guitar and dancing. There's even a song he did himself!!
 
What strikes me now about his work (besides the extremely disturbing sheen of insane brutality) is the way it seems to stretch back through time thirty years, like everything he makes is a weird hybrid of what he's doing now that he's in his sixties and stuff that he created in the 80s, but slots in perfectly. When I first saw it his art seemed 100% evil to me and totally unconscious of how fucked up it is, but watching his youtube channel, I bet you could have a pleasant conversation with the guy and he'd have interesting stuff to say? before inevitably saying something gruesome

https://youtu.be/SX-iT_2Kpqc
 
Older german internet cartoon I found
 
EDIT:

While I'm on a roll, have this too

https://youtu.be/yexFYZfDik8

I love the synth in this and how at times the vocal samples are quieter than the music

And in case you didnt know 'Nein' is german for no lol

Yeah That's exactly it - they constantly hover on the edge between fetish stuff and just regularly vapid kid stuff! They're just super wrong feeling and I have no idea how a scheme that seems so robotic/inhuman in its execution and its particulars managed to call into being these endless households of WASPy kids and adults to be film fodder for its sick salvos. I think what you said about them possibly not even being ad revenue farms is the scariest idea! The fact that youtube videos can make money is the sole, solitary aspect of these setups that gives them any link to this world/makes any sense to me. Tricking computer systems into apportioning one money is the only sensible explanation for an "organism" this bizarre. The only explanation that doesn't send me straight into face-clawing abyss-gazing.
 
Yeah "misanthropically insane" is a great way to sum it up. Re: kids nowadays: These particular shows do seem too vapid and pointless to really have a major brain-sucking effect on one particular person and will hopefully be gassed soon anyway* - It's more about the trend these sorts of things herald. and which we already see daily evidence of, and which has been on the minds of every science fiction writer since forever: New Digital Age Means Constant Manipulation. (DUHHH.) Manufacturing of reality; harder and harder to tell the difference between what is created by humans and what isn't. (world-child of child of man.) I think it's a safe enough bet that in our lifetimes we will see some   IMCs that seriously out-unspeakable these. (Hopefully not for a while.) Now the plucky, hacky phase of net existence has long vanished into the distance and we've stepped into the stage of cruel singularity where advertisements have escaped into the aether as ghosts and are taking a different tack and emerging from inside our brains rather than the other way around... Metal figures..... walking in the bodies of men!!! I killed one and removed the front of its skull - staring back at me inside was my first ever avatar. The PureZC forums - I drew it myself when I was eight. Where did they find that?
 
Hopefully the increased consumerization of Internet/possibly increasing malignancy of advertisement in general? (that's a totally different topic) will just result in kids being really burnt out on all that shit and not being as driven/haunted by it as previous generations have been. I wonder if it's better for most people to not notice ads or to be really bothered by them?
 
* The dilemma of the crazy nerd - on one, nerdy hand, I wish to archive these superhero videos so that nobody will forget this happened. But on the other, crazy hand, these videos make me so sick to my stomach that just embedding one is closer than I feel comfortable getting. Also on another, rational hand, there are way too many, I bet someone else will do it, and I bet the original........... whatever goddamn entities are behind this shit will have a way of getting it back to the public somehow. It really blows my mind that just typing Spiderman into youtube still gives you a solid block of these things. I just watched another one to confirm and it was slightly less maddening than yesterday. So are they wormholes and now I belong to the terrible dimension from which they arose? Am I having my brain melted right now? I think the general neatness and coherence of this post should tell you the truth!! Oh gawd I didn't realize how long I ended up rambling... Sorry all
 
edit: Once again, I apologize for exposing my every thought about this idiotic subject here rather than alt.conspiracy.preschool.media. My leg is stuck in this rabbit hole.
 
 

edit: final thoughts for tonight:

- No dialogue means international applicability.
- You can navigate the endless web of evil or questionably evil videos aimed directly at humans too young to know better by finding the spam messages in the comments that are obviously from similarly artificial channels. Or check what channels they're subscribed to.
- You can find a wide array of themes across channels - I've found lots that seem totally unrelated - like they have less professional-looking videos starring kids who act like real people... but they're still all toy reviews and... like... filming you talking to your kid opening toys... all so fake... actually the ryan kid and his aunt seems more legitimate, actually extremely creepy and clearly something going on, but in comparison to the spiderman sphere, more like a real thing. Anyway they seem like they're by totally different groups/not a group at all, but there's some level of crossover comment on each other's videos, mutual subscriptions, there's the inexplicable connecting elements of things like Kinders eggs (I guess the surprise aspect is what kids like?) and a... general heartless dredging of babyhood onto the screen that overall give the weird impression that there's some kind of elaborate coordination going on here on an even deeper level...
- Of course, depressingly, it seems there are already plenty of channels like this that are coincidentally similar but not actually related beyond having the same basic idea of making money off of showing extremely cheap shit to humans who can barely express opinions beyond hunger. *cage descends, trapping* Oldest trick in the book!!
- Hey, that kid Ryan's videos show up on some even faker toy review channel. It doesn't seem related to the spiderman videos because its views aren't inflated - So is this a case of a "hyperparasitism" or are they in on it?
- Tlon scenario - there is a malicious undercurrent behind pregnant Elsa narrative and its appearance on our planet is only the beginning of the transformation of reality as we know it into the world outlined in the videos.
- Now that Youtube is everywhere and is dishing out money in direct exchange for ad views, it is a medium for extracting ad views (== money). The sum of the channels here are figuratively a huge machine cranking out cash, requiring soul sacrifices to keep it running; and the fuel by which it manifests its finances is the liquid brains of helpless babies. Not the superhero stuff, which seems more about gaming YT from the silly viewcounts than becoming genuinely popular. The specific show or who's making it isn't important; I think this is one of the big changes that we will only eventually start to see the ramifications of - if there actually are any - That now, a baby can be directly targeted and have money extracted from its views, and that the baby can then immediately make a choice about what to watch next. Isn't that new? We've long had tv shows for babies, and some aren't evil at all like Sesame Street, but they were just intended to be one-sided and didactic - now a baby's actions online - I know even a toddler who's barely stopped being a legit burbling, useless baby has a good chance of figuring out the simple movement to make an iPhone start/stop/change a video - a baby's decisions and interest in entertainment can be tracked and followed and updated at just like any person. So now there are definitely strategies and machinations for playing lowest common denominator for a bunch of damn babies. I'd actually really like to know more about what the sociology or whatever is on this.
- Is there any dissonance between my disgust for this stuff and the fact that I've always really loved Teletubbies? (No. Teletubbies was strange and good. These are strange and bad.)
- Exploitative really is the word to use, because it's creepy and disgusting that whoever's behind this has definitely made thousands and thousands of dollars in like a week already. Most of the views are certainly fake but I'm sure some dumb ass kid has sat through one and as a consequence lost its shot at heaven. (Any of the videos we've been talking about will do this to you.

 
edit edit edit edit: On further examination yet, other people have been curious about this too. for one, seems it's more like at least a month for the superhero stuff alone, and the reason they're being so successful at this has to do with some sort of link between the superhero stuff and BBTV HooplaKids, which is owned by BroadbandTV, both of which are apparently certified by youtube, so god knows what sinister dealings are going on here. Furthermore, an example of typical HooplaKidz animation. Furthermore, this article from sep. 2015 has a terrible omen in it:
 

Rafati also revealed BBTV’s intentions to challenge other YouTube multi-channel networks which are moving into the family entertainment realm. In terms of competition, the CEO said BBTV currently feels the “only competitors with all the components (as HooplaKidz) are Disney and Maker [Studios].”

 
Jesus Christ, I was kidding about the Tlon thing!
 
going to bed now edit: I come across like I do nothing but sit in my room wringing my hands and freaking out about commercials, but that's not completely true!! I don't think about these things outside of my posts here.

seven_____girls is bad and weird enough on its own, but christ, when you talked about realizing that individual girls are spun off and incorporated into the developing nodes/channels - that's truly awful. Of course the malignant organism metaphor is apt as hell. I tend to think of these things as actually being organisms in some sense of the term - I'm sure there's some proper anthropological or something word for it - but basically now that humans have all these planes and mediums to do business on we essentially are creating models of organisms, like Conway's game of life. These youtube... tricks are all about manipulation and really exist on a level of abstraction where their development, objective, and reproduction are comparable to that of an organism. It certainly makes more sense than thinking of them as channels - "they", the scams, are the channels in the same way that a grapevine is its grapes.
 
The Tlonic aspect I took from that very last quote is this idea the guy apparently has that he - gonna assume there's some link between the HooplaKidz guy and all this shit - he and his companies are like "worthy opponents" of Disney somehow. Like, Disney is easy to hate for being the corporate monoliths that they are, but at least they hire animators and have stories and shit, and now there's this asshole (with his creepy connections to insane videos that seem like they're 100% designed and executed by computers + artificial humans or their cowering coerced human slave actors) saying there's a realistic chance of this brand of heartless bullshit stacking up in pop culture to the point where (ENTERING NIGHTMARE MODE) it could be considered anywhere near the same cultural presence or force of Disney. That is what I got from it, like of course none of hooplakidz' stuff is disney caliber, but - even if it's totally marketing speak (which it is) and just means "I want my video company to get big like the big video companies" - the quote implies he feels he has a shot at ending up comparing in recognizability and influence. Which is what any video maker wants and is an obvious nightmare mode idea and probably won't happen. I do feel weird knowing that the main HooplaKidz channel is probably not cheating and legitimately has been watched millions of times by millions of babies though. I mean, I think every generation gets exposed to uncanny media with evil motives, it's not new and I don't really think it's gonna turn their brains into mush or turn them into goblins or anything. It just pisses me off that kids have to watch ads at all. IMO the only acceptable, safe media for developing brains is horror VHS tapes and Mortal Kombat.
 
One of the many horrors of dealing with manipulation in the Internet age - we don't even have a way to refer to what it is we're talking about! It's so extensive, yet so opaque.
Seven______Girls is seems to be delineated as its own sphere, or web, while the other videos we're talking about, the toy/superhero/whatever channels, are all conjoined by some invisible shadow growth that works in mysterious ways through mysterious mediums.
So there are certainly multiple purveyors of these sorts of scams, not working in tandem. And definitely there seems to be some sort of clandestine network by which videos metastasize within their own sphere. What do you even call one of these sorts of scams? How do I refer to the people running it? - when clearly it at least involves anywhere from toddlers to their families to young actors, if the actors were hired at all and not just people who happen to be in on the production, and possibly could involve who knows what else, god forbid, YouTube itself or one of its subsidiaries. There are definitely some programmers working on it or else there wouldn't be the utterly blatant viewgaming. Worst of all is the implication that there's some casting agency that shuffles through kids (presumably offered by parents needing cash) to put them in stuff like seven_______ - and dang it, I can't even refer to this scam with a good name, I just have to use the naming pattern its constituent channels have. This is rambling again but I wish I could get a vocabulary overhaul that would let me efficiently, neatly describe what I think is happening. I think one of the reasons I like to think about this is because it's so clearly exploitative but I can't tell precisely who is getting exploited - there's just the weird feeling that a robot is designing all these things and every single human involved is getting pulled around and placed like a doll in dollhouses.
 
While we're expressing our irrational fears - I revile these things basically because they give off the same bad psychic energy as a suburban child sex ring, except they're trying to have everybody look at what they're doing.
 
Also, it's like watching robots trying to have sex or something - seeing these huge seemingly autonomous viewbotting scam networks grind themselves up against YouTube for money in the most visible way possible. Humans are not the audience here - they're just the setting that the machine has dully camouflaged itself against. Or they're bystanders. Actually, holy shit, it's basically a furry - like a human dressing up as an animal-human for an extension of their sex existence - except it's in the form of YouTube channels that hide their true face and dress up like human YouTube channels. And like a fursuit made of actual pelts, these videos are cloaked in the infinitely duplicated evisceration of their human hosts. Some sort of sick prostitution thing. I don't know why I keep connecting these with sex because they're like some of the least sexual things that could exist. Apart from the recurring trope of pregnancy in some videos, like you said, even Nempter's sexuality seems a billion times more human, friendly and natural. And Nempter's sexuality hit me like a punch to the face when I first ran across it. As you said, his work seems almost charming in comparison, like there's clearly imagination and art and passion behind it, even if it's unrecognizably weird and seemingly corrupt.
 
If I had to choose between finding my way out of Nempter's house, and finding my way out of any of these other houses, I would choose Nempter every time, because he'd probably be reasonable enough to let me use his phone. If I were to choose otherwise I would, guaranteed, die of starvation/thirst after making it thirty floors down with no visible change. I don't think they really have exits.
 
edit: Maybe I should do a thesis about this - it's so much easier to write huge amounts about than anything that actually matters.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPnTa1UJPEI
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4LUasFly0c
 
http://www.polygon.com/2016/4/8/11394634/ford-metal-gear-solid-commercials-konami
 
 

The Ford YouTube ad above, "A Codec Call to Remember," features the voices of Metal Gear Solid actors David Hayter and Paul Eiding discussing the "Practical Vehicular Action" of the Ford Focus while dropping no shortage of Metal Gear references.

 

Another ad features Psycho Mantis trying to sell Solid Snake on a different Ford model, the 2017 Ford Fusion Titanium. Mantis' mind-reading skills would be the envy of any car salesman. Watch him do what he can to put Snake in this car today.

A. Well of course there's always some fucked up marketing plots going on to monetize anything in any medium yadda yadda... these videos surely don't have any magic brain-melting effects that are much worse than any other terrible media. But these ones are sooo prevalent and youtube still isn't doing anything about them, possibly indicating complicity, and either way I definitely think it's worth noticing and talking about. perhaps they'll all vanish in like a month and youtube will just say they somehow didn't notice until now. (Lol like youtube would be transparent and say anything) And like Chips said - it's fucking weird how there's no way they're algorithmically created, because actual humans are acting out the content, but they're so extensible/exhaustively long/modular that the whole thing has got to involve computers to some extent and is clearly very carefully calculated and designed, and it's unclear how much of it sprang from a person's brain.
B. Yes your life is better off if you never watch even one. I haven't watched one since I mentioned it or talked about the topic to anyone irl, because I agree there's quite no point to getting bogged down letting bad sensations into your brain as an experiment. But I think these particular videos are like unavoidable to any kid that uses youtube and types in a superhero name, and for me their presence is revolting, but practically every one of the kids who notices these videos will just go "oh, that's some boring baby channel, I have no interest in this but I guess it's normal for hundreds of tons of garbage to become instantaneously popular and blot out the media I'm trying to access, good to know". I don't think that's a serious social problem on its own lol but as yet another entry in a greater trend (that has ofc been developing since the dawn of time) of advertisers and manipulators getting away with whatever the fuck they want with defenseless minds as their playground. I definitely don't want people to accept that as normal. I feel like it's important not to strip away my violent foreign-body reaction (immunology of my universe.) to become less uncomfortable with it, because I believe it causes damage to a society to not be hugely suspicious and detesting of any ad/money making platform. So that's why I'm doing the best thing a human can do for their society - chatting on the internet with lots of sci-fi and horror language to make my confused points. Uh... Upshot: I get your point that there's no benefit to be gained here, and it is healthier to not deal with this stuff at all, but I think what it comes down to is I feel like I was shunted into experiencing these videos - (that my life switched tracks like a train and sent down a parallel universe/expression of probability) - the day before I found out about them I was living in a world where they didn't exist and now they do, and that's such an unpleasant shift that I need to type out what they make me feel and let somebody see it, or else it's like it didn't happen at all and I just have to sit here, taking it. And this forum is the only place I know of where I could find somebodies who would not only read these posts but respond with greater insights and enlightening perspectives!
 
My life, just like the lives of everybody alive today, has included being bombarded with advertisements from the very start, and I fucking hate them, and I fucking hate how everyone just has to put up with them. I don't want to act like fake-human nega-media getting injected into my experience is just a normal and unavoidable thing. Even though that has been the case from the beginning. It's like with your example guns and TV - I live in an area of america where most people, the good majority of people you meet, are hippies, anti-gun and anti-TV, and as a result there are less of both around here. That's what I want! Nobody can do much to stop money from dictating the distribution of art - of course, nobody ever has - but I don't want to act like that's normal! If more people hated ads as much as I do there would be less of them. I'm still young/dumb/full of cum enough to like getting shocked and upset over stupid shit that won't change. It makes me feel more on top of things. Well, that's clearly something I'm going to have to think about for a while!
 
I wouldn't want my kids playing the new doom 4 either, or like, the newer mortal kombat games. I will to this day defend the artistic/atmospheric nexus of old MKs. Have any of you played or seen the fatalities on the new ones? They're so fucking stupid, like completely lacking in humor and style, it's just pure brutality (super detailed faux-realistic of course), like a step beyond regular torture porn where these drab models carefully/gymnastically eviscerate the already dead and unfeeling parts of their opponent just for the sake of letting you see bits of meat explode. There's such a huge difference between what we get now and digitized pictures of costumed performers with cartoon blood. But of course, everyone made such a big fucking stink back then that now nobody wants to talk about/face up to it - like the anti-video game violence campaigns of the past actually made it WORSE because then vg gore was hotter and more desirable - and even now we're dealing with the fallout where people are second-hand radicalized by rhetoric that happened in the 90s and now don't believe that any depicted violence can be harmful at all. I wonder if the big fucking stink I'm raising now about these videos will end up seeming childishly simple and quaint in comparison to the TRUE algorithmic-fauxhuman media beast that will take the world by storm 15 years from now.
(Another brief deviation into ME ME MEEE for a perspective on being slightly removed from your own opinions - I was born during the mortal kombat/gore scare, read about the conflict as a young child from someone who wrote with a gamer's perspective [history ][/history], and grew up with the secondhand opinion that video game violence is great and any thoughts otherwise can only be based in hand-wringing and only lead to censorship. I wasn't there to actually be impacted by any censorship or whatever but I would ferociously defend violence on the basis of nerds having implanted their policy into me. I think kids nowadays, growing up with ability to read arguments about this, have a similar attitude enforced, perhaps weaker with time and increasing dilution of opinion.)
 
The lost-tribe-with-no-nightmares is extremely interesting!!!! But also seems pretty... unrealistic for jungle tribe to be unfamiliar with the concept of stress and danger... What if someone fell in a river? Or got sick. But enormously true and fascinating is the point that not being daily exposed to a morass of hyperreal emotion/sensation-alism will make you much more healthy and happy.
 
Hahaha Why I - I just saw - *knocks over blocks* I"M NOT GONNA STAND FOR THIS TELETUBBY DENIGRATION... Goodbye all my online playmates, forever!!! I actually never watched teletubbies so I only know it as a mostly wordless show with inhuman gremlins jiggling around a closed-off grassland dimension. And I could see that closed-offedness giving you a figuratively "closed" experience with like no ambiguity allowed in the interpretation of what things are and what their purpose is...? I actually don't know what you're talking about there and want to hear more, like, Doom1 is just as permanently stuck in this vibe of "you are in a small bowl with a sky or ceiling wrapped over it, move around until you see the map screen and then go to the next small bowl". And that's not to badmouth Doom's artistic/atmospheric aspect, which I love more than most things. Unless it's that like, every TV show is a fairly non-open experience, where you're not really getting any leeway to interact with the experience at all beyond what you personally suspect to be happening on film and how you respond to it. Anyway I only remembered teletubbies because I was trying to research baby-media and it always seemed way more likable and honest about its inexplicability than most other kids shows. Honestly I think it is a pretty legitimately open show, since it doesn't really push you to think anything except what you want, and is basically more of a bundle of sensory experiences than anything. TBH I brought it up because I've got to give props to ANYTHING that has a character described as "a sweet, technological baby with a magic bag".
 
Bonus C. I think this conversation fits well enough with the media/secretworld theme but I do feel bad about my lengthy digressions on this poisonous subject taking up eyespace from like Ragnar's and a1a1's (!!!???) posts, so if anyone wants to move these into their own topic or something, I wouldn't be unhappy, likewise for keeping them here. Every time I post I think of adding this disclaimer, but so far I've always been like "eh, the conversation has almost died down". Now maybe it really has!