this was really good shit!!!!!! from both of you!!!!!!! shit!!!!!! i don't have time to reply atm but "to be fucked" if you believed that i believe'd ya'll treat'll me'd like'ld summa kinda royayayayay*tarzan voice*ltyyy like THIIIIIIS?!?! what a beautiful world!!!
 
also friendly hint pineappo, that WAS actually cohesive post and I Got It *takes on the baton from collapsing eye-linered asian feminine man pineappo, raises it against the rising sun* You made it thru the storm... better than i ever did with mine kid

The whole prominence of the "cuckold" insult is just proof positive the vast majority of historical conflicts resolve to Not Getting Some. In fact what with the provenance of human beings being what it is you could look at it as, every problem ever was because somebody didn't not have sex.

 
I saw said stuff one time, there are also undertones of gay I'm not sure people are always aware of (the more savvy ones maybe) but it's just so weird, it's like do they go out of their way to make the guy in the 'cuck' role look extra pathetic, like that one movie where the actor ate a diet of pasta for like 5 months prior to filming (actually just a brief stint of gainer fetish irl) but yeah it's like did they intentionally eat too much pasta, combined with fantastic build of a pro golfer
 
and then let's just say sometimes it plays into, preconceptions that "To Kill a Mockingbird" was kind of talking about, flol. Ickiest genre ever
 
Edit: like preconceptions about relative 'appetite' or something, and then like if Roy Moore is secretectly watching it lol. ironycore
 
Edit: just takes the joke all the way, breaks into pornhub headquarters, does one of those IP address density maps according to porn genre, sees if there is red state vs. blue state correlation
 
Edit: it would definitely be entertaining to have that sort of information even if anonymized, like country distribution too, is it true about Germany, lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8-KTdNdizE
 
 
lol this is decent but I dunno, I fear that David Lynch etc., with all that's come out, gay frogs and such, it would feel like such a 'betrayal' if a lot of the 'abstract' dudes I at least thought were ok were just like "1:1" if you guys know what I mean by that? Like someone said Animal Farm is metaphorical yes but was always meant to be a 1:1 metaphor for communism and if other interpretations exist it wasn't the author's intent, stuff like that. Like the betrayal feeling would be if a lot of stuff advertised as 'open interpretation' was actually 'closed interpretation'? Like I said elsewhere that yes I probably liked the vidyagame music and textures growing up but at the same time without knowing much about art theory or anything, I still saw the electronic medium as more apolitical, non-lyrical to start. The Soviet synth pages online are kind of amusing, I guess they slipped under the radar as not making any political statement but were probably weird and non-conformist in their own way (the feels of the music you could make with it). But still if there was truth to the Lynch thing that's like the most disingenuous thing a creative-type person could do imo, to like pretend layers of interpretation or completely different interpretations were intended but not really
 
but yeah the most political my music has ever been for the most part, was like "Bridgeport sucks" lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yX8yrOAjfKM
 
you guys ever watch videos like this for like, to defragment because Clickhole and stuff is way too on point sometimes
 
Edit: Windows XP and defragment, sorry, subconsciousshits, free will doesn't exist lel

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Goldeneye
 
modus ponens goldeneye 64 was real

lol this is decent but I dunno, I fear that David Lynch etc., with all that's come out, gay frogs and such, it would feel like such a 'betrayal' if a lot of the 'abstract' dudes I at least thought were ok were just like "1:1" if you guys know what I mean by that? Like someone said Animal Farm is metaphorical yes but was always meant to be a 1:1 metaphor for communism and if other interpretations exist it wasn't the author's intent, stuff like that. Like the betrayal feeling would be if a lot of stuff advertised as 'open interpretation' was actually 'closed interpretation'? Like I said elsewhere that yes I probably liked the vidyagame music and textures growing up but at the same time without knowing much about art theory or anything, I still saw the electronic medium as more apolitical, non-lyrical to start. The Soviet synth pages online are kind of amusing, I guess they slipped under the radar as not making any political statement but were probably weird and non-conformist in their own way (the feels of the music you could make with it). But still if there was truth to the Lynch thing that's like the most disingenuous thing a creative-type person could do imo, to like pretend layers of interpretation or completely different interpretations were intended but not really
 
but yeah the most political my music has ever been for the most part, was like "Bridgeport sucks" lol

not 100% sure i got this correct but yeah i get the feel what you mean? that dreadin feelin that "this guy's mite be fakin it, he's not so abstract and high-minded as i youngly thought... Shame. ON. MEEEE!!!!!!!! *blows brain with shotgun*". it's as if everyone's in reality a u2 bono, guuuuuuulp. it's... it's all just my own PROJECTION... i've been fooled by the MEDIA... such WRONG, much (streets of) RAGE...
 
............................................i tend to think these days that there are certain limits the creator of art is subjected to (not all can be ragnars or bonzis or cicadas, especially for +20 years...), and i think people weren't very aware or pay attention to the miniscule details? so you have weird jap jazz fusion in NES soundfonts become strange wall of noise etc, so there was a lot of accidentals and variables luckily involved. you could get big or be liked or get some bucks even with weird stuff, cos there was no reaction videos LOL... peoplen were cool like that with anything. theynn cann do anythin' *cool slur onn lazyy relazed addidude, is this missisippi delta or tesla car?*. no weird 100x self-checks or checks from others if your music is this or that normal or "relatable/understandable" "by large or by some sensibleness - meter".
so yeah i guess i'm cool with that tho? so in other words we're lucky to even have that accidentally good experience/art??? can be grateful that the creator is a dolt but managed to piss gold into art??
well i guess i can't be ALL like THAAAT and i get it. but i think that to some extent 1. the theory stuff behind art applies SOMEHOW but 2. most people immediately lose connection to their senses and "if they like this stuff immediately right now or not, on basis of raw experience"?  think of music theory buffs... "this is dark, this is light" *ragnar looks anxious and confused, i thought it tasted like green cheddar cheese that overtones in that chord right there?* 3. people in general are too literal when you FUCKING give em enough rope on their leashes LOL, so they tend to rationalize/"literalize" song lyrics or song's meanings to something very non-feminiscientic and small despite the contrary evidence (literally put words into poor ragnars or bonzi's mouth, who in cognitive dissonance say "wait, that's deffo not the experience i got from that song or segment??? aieee!!)... and this applicates also to lyric creators themselves? 4. new fear: creator is too literal and argumentative, FEISTY (lol), and has terrifying agenda or stupidness behind art? fuckign david lynch and his gay frogs!!!! I KNEW it!!! ruined my lunnnnnch!!!
 
i bolded that line because i didn't know your original motivation 4 your eclectroc!
...fun fact but if you ain't ENG, you don't even understand what most ENG music means you know? this might blow your mind but like, i cannot literally instantly understand even to this day without conscious focused effort what ENG songs talk about... so it naturally comes off as "affective voice", a voice or musical effect that sounds like some kind of emotion... and one sort of understands the title of the song, and patches the meaning here and there thru snippets of understandable/audible power lines in the song.
it doesn't help that ENG language is structurally built to enable same word be spoken in weird vowels, like "car" could be "ceeeer" in ENG songs and you're like "Cer, i want that mythical cer!! sounds so ceel!!", auto-salivate, etc. and im pretty sure rest of the world is similar to me,,, like i instantly understand my own languages lyrics (= INSTANTLY becomes uncool lol, because its so plainspoken and non-high minded most of time i guess? and you focus on clearly defining the words versus emotional delivery?) so it musn't be just me. maybe Burial is ragnars tru gateway to "world -> eng" worldview? all comes of as apolitical and feminiscientic/affective already.
 
so yeah i guess all these posts come off as one big intense WORLD IS NOTHING LIKE WE THINK EVEN IN BASICS OF STUFF, BUT EVEN I KEEP FORGETTING THIS?? or something? i tend to ruminate on this stuff because it's relevant right now and sw is a good place for that. there's no social reactionary stuff here to distract or limit/put on thought filters, it's the real raw deal here. ... and yeah, i realize i wouldn't get this out elsewhere? because i have an odd feeling that you 1. need the right people to get the filters off from your thinking, and 2. there's no social media cockroach rat mob-bullshit here? no-ones lookin to score anythin, no distracting titles for videos or whatever. no putting words into mouth etc.

feminiscientic

I don't know what this word is, Google returned a "scientific feminism" twitter


also I have like a controversial viewpoint (maybe it isn't controversial in 2018?) that I feel like the intent/meaning would get twisted outside of salt world (if twitter or reddit ever got hold of dis shit)
 
 

did I mention the left are kind of pussies maybe if they give in to like backing homosexual stuff with science (the evolutionary purpose for gay uncles), you're like giving in to distorted bible belt christianity, that there has to be an underlying explanation to make things 'ok'. I was like arguing as far as having a fetish, plenty of fetishes are harmless but they don't 'have to make sense', like even when fetishes RESEMBLE normal sex it might be illusory
without arguing gay is a fetish you can be of the mind 'being gay doesn't have to 'make sense'' by some stupid standard that's supposed to make it ok or not ok in people's minds

like the gist of it is "if sex stuff no longer has to make any sense whatsoever, the moralizing dudes/holier than thou types (but specifically LGBT stuff, not trying to sell people on fetishes) instantly would have no power"
 
 
I think a good chunk of the internet is like that though, you guys can still have arguments but no longer "right vs. wrong" arguments like "is this stupid and indulgent" type arguments. anime dual wielding pistols/reloading guns bouncing the magazine off of boobs/exposed cleavage gunfight

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTJI4MzLW30
 
cyriak wrote/is writing a book

if you guys never heard, my brother is music sometimes too, worrisome though, can see why I'm a teetotaler irl
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hihIwIYkdb8&list=PLXAwwGPqyt4RCJL1Ri2KacOzgeBjJYGYz&index=12
 
Edit: dat "VERY"

also I have like a controversial viewpoint (maybe it isn't controversial in 2018?) that I feel like the intent/meaning would get twisted outside of salt world (if twitter or reddit ever got hold of dis shit)

nah I think we can all agree about that to some extent, and on the left there is a rising defiance against these feeble, shoulder-hunching apologetic defenses. I hate seeing headlines like that for that reason, eg even if science somehow determined homosexuality was the bigot-moralist's wet dream of being like pure fetishism or something, that'd change nothing about how homosexuals should be treated in society
 
I think that kind of thing can be filed in the same category as like TED talks, high-end brunch and other tone deaf, class-ignorant liberal bubble nonsense
 
It's not even a good defense against anti-gay fundamentalism, they'll just say even if it's science it's still an evil sin, that science is a liberal scam etc. Though I guess it could hypothetically help a kid with unsupportive parents or something, even if it's not hitting home the main point or addressing any of the broader societal issues re: masculinity and whatever
 
speaking about ted, this year I found the intro to the TED radio hour on npr and it's really funny. only within like the first minute of this clip, idk what the rest is about https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCw5RtF4YHM

nah I think we can all agree about that to some extent, and on the left there is a rising defiance against these feeble, shoulder-hunching apologetic defenses. I hate seeing headlines like that for that reason, eg even if science somehow determined homosexuality was the bigot-moralist's wet dream of being like pure fetishism or something, that'd change nothing about how homosexuals should be treated in society

 
an insane guy in an IDM chat was once like, I was trying to figure out his reasoning and he like ended up his final opinion was 'the old greek stuff was honest and actually love, but anyone modern is just doing gay stuff cause it's forbidden or transgressive or something' flol, yes all people are just being gay to say fuck you to the moralists. What even is that are they actually sexually interested in the moralists and their opinion then? What if it's a male moralist? lol
 
also I was obsessed with the term 'virtue signalling' for like a day, but that's lame and reddit-y and clever people should say the same thing in secret but just call it 'moral dominoes', as in, set up to get knocked down when they eventually screw up and get in some scandal
 
Edit: the greek stuff reasoning is kind of scary though, yep gay stuff can be honest but you gotta chuck it far enough into the past so it doesn't have to be a concern and downplay the crap out of it
 
Edit: not that all those people like that have to be repressed/closet gay but what even is it. Time travel any potential awkward boners to several thousand years ago
 
Edit: I hope you guys know I'm pretty openly........... well by some people's logic I DON'T EXIST let's just put it that way. Or Velfarre

aloha earlzib. *earl looks worrisome at much-too-stern-and-polite greeting*
 
guys just a friendly warning that you are not supposed to answer to my every post, just throwing that out there? no need for "try to reply", just reply to whatever you wish, if it triggers ya mouth... imma just having a run for the money for my mouth, and i have this way to reflect on people's thoughts by just throwing it all out at once, then distilling it later on into pearls of pseudo-wisdom... more about that later on. gotta create that content for dumb topic ne? imma not gonna run away like a magic elf if you don't reply to anything ;-)
 

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feminiscientic

I don't know what this word is, Google returned a "scientific feminism" twitter

= dumb topic (experience of art)? it's cicadas word he thought after reading jim woodring's word "fluorescent", as in that "good art has some kind of fluorescent quality to it... you can sense something is good art by how it glows that kinda energy, regardless of meanigns/form" etc. = "there's a LOT going on here, and i dunno if other people outside SW even notice?"? that thing.
i'm not trying to put words into mouth etc manipulate to shoehorn into my words etc if the term just isn't USABLE tho? can sometimes be handy when descrining art that's effect is unintentionally something else/comes off as something else and you want to talk about that experience VS the art comes as an experience as as intended... maybe. i really like my high-minded stuff (eg. talk about songs achievement in their own terms, "oh wow that guitar is hecka cool") but sometimes you need a quick word, "oh that has some feminiscientic attributes to it" than say "oh that's so dumb topic" cos you know what happens when you overuse the latter lol. it quickly becomes this meme and like A THING YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO APPRICIATE rather than the real thing? i'd say it's steps to right direction, having pro language, since it's language meant to describe the direct connection to emotional/sensory experience than "OH THIS FLEETWOOD MAC SONG IS SO MYSTERIOUS AND WITCHY AND DARK" *sounds really average and normal radio rock music with maybe more than average bass tones to it* lol.

also I have like a controversial viewpoint (maybe it isn't controversial in 2018?) that I feel like the intent/meaning would get twisted outside of salt world (if twitter or reddit ever got hold of dis shit)

Y E S . you bet your ass it would?

... boldy buddy? maybe that triggered some anon readers here (and now they're making reaction videos in youtube), but maybe seeing this kind of...
social media -initiated dumbing down to sell it to already eisting X imagined crowd (who decide the level of thinking and terms)
-thing w/o any sort of analysis or differentiating between qualities... happen all over again endlessly... taught me... a thing... OR.... two... lol.

it's bit like Undertale VS Earthbound thing? where UT fans go to EB videos and say it's superior, then fans of EB react, etc etc etc...... and you know how the UT is just bit like Homestuck etc modern gen mawkish attention seeker/people pleaser -type of deal*, and the other is That Game that inspired the latter one + has a long list of all kindsa legit raw weird wack-ass shit goin on? i recently checked EB out again thru longplay (like what i had missed when i stopped midway thru the game) & my god was blown away at how much dumbtopic stuff was still ahead me in the game? "good god" as Ragny says. having Sign O' the Times, ska, Beatles, etc inspired soundtrack is really not the last/most mindblowing thing in that game.

(*compulsory to be a weird genderfluid, parent/gender-obsessed game? check. must be overtly about your precious emotions/highs and lows? check. must have lot of fake-pretend emotionality and supposedly-shocking events you are supposed to react to overtly? check. must be cutesy all the way? check. etc etc.... not to harm ragnar etc my best viking buddyttetress, but you know, like... the/that type, ragnar?
the emo-bangs-and-whiny-vocals-and-goth/emo/trap/hiphop/raprock - whatever archetype talking like a baby IRL, has ironic/non-ironic anime cateyes hat, etc etc etc... the list is endless.
and you either FIT IN TO STEREOTYPE or are weird/undesirable or uncool or "don't get it" in their group? 'guess even jewish in gas chambers put that black jewish to corner, yikes.
i saw these kids a lot in anime/emo circles in youth and thought it was kinda counterfeit or pretending. i commit seppuku if you are one ragnar and are offended, but i figured VSnares/ATwin guygette musn't be too un-self-aware/self-serious?)

same preface as in previous post (in case u miss it):
 
guys just a friendly warning that you are not supposed to answer to my every post, just throwing that out there? imma not gonna run away like a magic elf if you don't reply to anything ;-) no need for "try to reply", just reply to whatever you wish, if it triggers ya mouth... imma just having a run for the money for my mouth, and i have this way to reflect on people's thoughts by just throwing it all out at once, then distilling it later on into pearls of bzeudo-wisedom... more about that later on. gotta create that content for dumb topic ne?
 
esp important cos im not here to shoehorn my thoughts into anybody, or am still a wrong deranged twentysomething social media asshole lookin to have bad opinions and bad times for everyone else. i can see ragnar's hart breakin apart already from a distance... n-noo, stop it bonziii, so many lines of text and so many bad opinions, youre ruiiiineeed. if u think my opinion stinks, Just Let It All Dangle Out, imma cool with it. i leave that emotional reaction stuff to IRL shit u know? NOT personal. cos IRL stuff is like IRL tower defence game, of challenges upon challenges, and dumb topic seems like a fresh change? of a chance to excersise dat celebral muscle of my life/brain, and get those brain juices out and do their work with flying (rainbow leprechaun) colours. And dang di tordildoeh's!!
 

but yeah the point I wanted to drive home is, u can never know if someone is just good at art stuff , and what I said about the line between fantasy and reality becoming more defined, and people can be like 'whoa that guy is really out there' but it doesn't have to entail actually taking the fantasy element at face value, it could just be good skillz at working the fantasy/reality distinction

I also said something elsewhere about, Wesley Willis is like real life crazy people music but it's kind of just weird pop music, there's a lot of technical trickery you can do to make the music sound 'unreal'. I don't even think most people pick up that the music loops at some point if the time signature is weird enough. And then that 'horror vacui' concept, you can intentionally make the music 'busy' beyond normal people's expectations of music, and just by that action you might fuck up people's capacity to take it in as a normal musical narrative. And like subverting expectations of pattern recognition, etc.

Edit: re: time signatures, as weird as that recent Venetian Snares album is, the title track, he just totally gives away the time signature of the track with this farty-sounding kickdrum. You just wait for the next fart kick and you can detect that the next bar or whatever has started. He does this in several songs, gives away the time signature/loop point with some glaringly obvious sample trigger

yeah i can get that sort of jaded malaise of veteran dumb topicer music maker heh *pushes ragnar bro-like with clenched fist brotherly on shoulder* but i think this is more emblematic/symptomatic of modern social media exposure though? people have become "aware of everything" to a point, where you start to think that disconnection from your emotional experience is normal. "i'm no longer young, teenie me who is seeking his own identity through peer groups and social activity = adult life must be about being ANTI-teeny, anti-emotion, ambiguity, etc etc".
also you are like "what's the point of getting IMMERSED of everything, like everything must be fabricated and alchemy, and too much earnestness is just foolish so you must be anti-earnest" etc.
this is still work in progress for me, but i realized lately that i generally become unable to get truly good work done in arts or even thinking if i just stay conscious/aware/SENSIBLE all the time?
probably reading something passively from a monitor 8h or more a day plays a part in this.
and then there's the grasp or thinking going on, like "ok well WHY and what kind of arts i want to do in 2018, like what's the point and why".

maybe this seems kinda high-minded for u but i just think as a fellou dumb topicer that if you in generally no longer identify exactly through group-psyche or memetified archetypes ("im into metal music and have dark masculine old feelings, ergo i need to have a long beard and tattoos" etc.. and everybody at this time socially MUST ALSO BE LIKE THIS, hence you can't have a throwback to other ages in human race),
well why then bother making idk, Steve Reich melodies or harmonic structures all the way? or like ugh better example, like IM BLACK SO I DO JAZZ, ok but this is 2018 and like, if you are dumb topicer and this smart, then why not make something that is just... you? idk if this makes sense, but like maybe these times need more uniqueness etc, and less so GROUP MOVEMENTS ("i do jazz fusion, hence i need 10 billion people ACCEPT and LISTEN to JAZZ FUSION too in order to just function, lest i god forbid self-destruct by this impossible life puzzle"). sometimes i get bored by the sheer blandness or like, lack of prospects? like people arguing with you and not putting that same zeal into making a new harmonic language in music or exciting songs in music etc. like you can almost READ it from people, the potential they have for that i guess? it's somewhat discouraging lol.
i'm mostly waiting and WAIITIIING for people to get over the "wow that is so weird/eccentric/unique/x/y/z" and get themselves together psychologically again and finally start creating something new lol. this prob reads like complaining a lot/unpleasant to read, but i'm just musing the odd feeling of getting more resistance these days, than get these asses to dance etc.

Maybe roman empire people felt like this too loool ("ugh we got zillion of gods and the empire must be THE WHOLE WOLRD NOW, ergo all mysteries are solved, this is the end times, all science has reached apex, we can now literally waste our entire lives on stone table gossips and sex arena games, be so cool and detached" etc...
all this said in total seriousness... while wearing wack-ass pink, turquoise, orange togas etc).
like, the worldy-cosmopolitanity is actually this weird zeitgeist of entitled all-knowingness based on nothing real but socio-psychological structures?
like, you could walk into your mind's alley, where emotions, being moved, inspiration, inner motivation, resonant stuff... etc etc... reside for all your life, but you're like "bro that's not cool and adult, let's never walk in there ever again" and off you go to buy the newest Victoria's Secret and Starbucks etc.
"this must be... the end of my INNOCENCE. *moists dry lips* i get it. its FINALLY ON. everybody talks about this" *goes to shoot heroin 'cos IS A THING / get adult stuff shit etc*.

(EDIT: hopefully this didn't come of as THAT GUY, you know the new age messiah complex "ohhh if oooonly you jusssst, LETTT that LLLOOOVE or PURE ARTTT deep inside your HEARRRT and connected to GOD". it's diffe than whatta cicada mentioned. i didn't mean as new age "oh wow, look how you're RUINING pureness and ART. look at you" but more like... this weird feeling that we COULD be LIVING incredible new magical music stuff, etc if that time spent of reaction and resistance wasn't there in first place? and i mean this completely straight-faced, non-ironically, without wagging finger, aware that this isn't how many people work socially...? like... i mean this honestly, and not like "earnestness is best! wow! so FRESH!", nor "wow we could HAVE IT ALL like in a candy shop. let's stop THINKING and let's start DOING! wow, what a nirvana! let's be like this FOREVER as a SOCIETY! come on people! *70's afro shakes and trembles as bonzi pulls people up from grass in 70's trumpet jeans*".
just a weird feeling that "erm idk, anybody getting sick of with sociability and these "reactions"? we haven't had a new exciting thing in ages because of it...can we just do something because it's exciting and a sensible next step?)

and i mean this not thru naivete etc being eternal kid and whining about, but just sort of matter-of-factly as symptomatic? i can understand where that stuff would happen then.

i think it's fairly established in psychology research that "teenage rebellion phase" etc, it sort of exist but it's been supposed that it has only appeared in the last 80 years or so? Like usually when kids hit that age, in old days they were FAST into work + adult social life and working their asses off as a part of the working society, interacting with the rest of the adults = there was no chance for boredom, very non-ambiguous, you were readily accepted to have adult responsibilites and power? because teenage life, peer group fantasies/kids learning social rules through other kids, etc etc... that phase is really typefied by YOU CANNOT WORK/GET MONEY OR BE INDEPENDANT = LIMBO LIFE = BOREDOM/MALAISE FROM HAVING NO ADULT LIFE OR ADULT PEOPLE TAKE YOU SERIOUSLY OR GIVE YOU ANYTHING RESPONSIBLE? i don't mean to sort of idealize developing countries etc naively tho, but you get the idea/attributes im talkin of.

this all seems weirdly and starkly "whoa bonzi you got a chip on your shoulders?" but i'm mostly musing here that maybe lot of this is just kind of givens we assume, even eg we assume stuff from our OWN SALTW psyches too etc. but yeah, like there is nothing normal about 2018 modern life in human history, so there's plenty of space to assume that "wow i wonder how much of this stuff is just outright toxic" etc. if liquid-lead drinking was popular and supposed-to-do, people would do it eagerly, with both hands berserkly clusping over the mugs lol.

Quote from: pineappo on May 22, 2018, 08:36:13 pm

edit: Jesus... too much, man... Thinking about it again it's like... mostly just "weirdness" is insanely undervalued by society -> all too often we're scared of it or we laugh at it so it can't touch us in the heart. But I know personally that if you open yourself to crazy stuff and let it affect you like it wants to you get a much fuller experience from the world. Every mistake becomes beautiful and it's not like you need some bizarre mental rewiring experience to do it, you just need to chill out and stop giving credence and belief power to the traditions of thinking about minutiae.

 
I dunno if it's so much people are unopen to weird aesthetics/discomfort in aesthetics as much as, it has become memeified and like missing the point? Like everyone knows "old fogeys didn't like rock and roll (because too noisy or whatever)", but everyone considers they have like the memetic nature of being a 'rocker' as one's True Identity, without considering the basic concepts at play/first principles of rock and roll having been "other" at the time. Like perhaps human history is in reverse and we come into life as granpas, afraid of new experience, but everyone considers themself of the 'rocker' archetype without any sort of internal conflict having led to 'rocker' status in the first place. But the actual inception of rock and roll in the first place involved a perceptual phenomenon where it was embraced as more than mere chaos? If you were 90s kid and it was already on the radio constantly there was no sort of trial and error in which one came to embrace rock and roll
 
Edit: either that or like misidentifying one's aesthetic discomfort zones, ultraviolence is touted as ultimate edginess when that battle was already fought in like 1995 with mortal kombat. I think it was a good point that the real final frontier of videogame edginess is 'too gay' for the general audience
 
Edit: David Bowie is occult bisexual (oops)

we were talking elsewhere about decent artists/musicians whatever who turn out to be shitty people in real life/the separation of art from artist
 

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but yeah like people like, to be fair people want CONSTANT ENTERTAINMENT VALUE, and like without consequence/people being weird in real life, probably obvious in retrospect the Chris Farleys and Artie Langes of the world were total cokeheads. It ties into instant gratification bullshit to me (the people who want a good entertainer unconditionally, not Chris Farley himself). Like almost they want the coke vibes without the risk of actually doing coke. Yall cowards won't even smoknk crack

well said. I feel like this happened to rock (and lot of music in general)? if you check these videos in youtube, it's always about being a detached observer of "something weird in the past or this weird guy" -> "explain yourself, to us normal people or consumers? be reasonable now, don't shame yourself socially by not fitting in". so the point is not to be mindblown by amazing shit/to be immersed and potentially moved by something, but to figure out if it's cool to like this or not OR hurry up to socially behave "i'm supposed to react this way to this thing" or hurry up to make a ego-reaction video of it LOL. or like put words into mouth and go "oh yeah, aphex twin actually wasn't cool at all and it's bad that he wears ponytails", what?? miles davis said WHAT about her AUNT MINNIE during that legendary Royal Albert Hall gig???? lol. basically like... "oh i get it, so aphex twin/led zep was liiike skrillex of it's time duude" "NO. *terrifying look in eyes*" FILTH!!!
EDIT: I guess it's like, constantly like a bug comparing stuff to "Ok but how does this fit to modern city living? it MUST fit in into the narrative, 'lest it's let out as weird or scene-like or cliqueish or childish"... hence you get hipsters doing 1920's beard styles etc, but taking smiley-idiot selfies and people-pleasing as much as everyone else, so it comes off as fake? *wrings hand, looks uncomfortable* if ONLY i could SOMEHOW fit this into the MODERN NARRATIVE, if ONLY... then i wouldn't need to BLOW MY BRAINS OFF WITH A SHOTGUN... if ONLY!... if i only find a way with my words... gahh, if only i could tattoo NIKE to my beard, if ONLY... *wrings hands like they are a wet towel, hands already are turning blue and dead*
 
from now on all my videos are "Bonzi Buddy REACTS THINKS THOROUGHLY AND DEEPLY to RAGNAR'S CONTROVERSIAL WORDS WELL THOUGHT-OUT POST! (hint: it's EXACTLY what you THINK IT IS!) [No-Shock! ][/No-Shock!]"
 
...buuuut i can't blame sometimes on rockers etc losing that rebelliousness/interest in them, i mean, how many nickelbacks, guns'n'roses and def leppards can you fit into the world until the world and everybody blows up from seams from boredom? 80's rock (literally in music theory terms, and music theory buffs know this... you can look it up) took all the interesting parts from it (the ethnic scales etc) and left 80's pop production and the trite pentatonic scale shit into it... it's impossible to be interesting or weird etc with those tiny rules, or if you are busy "looking and acting like a rocker"?
reminds me of synths, turntables, etc and how long it takes to just get any kind of good sound of it, just so that you can actually improvise or create melodies with it (excluding ragnar who just sort of made programming code into music the main point, where song's have not so much a traditional structure but more of a experiments of parameters etc?).
 
EDIT: unfortunately i often see guitarists rockers etc "melody doodling" on guitar or just not focus enough on melody or playing. they are attracted to the meme of guitar playing than actually play guitar... the form rather than the expression? so i guess ironically problem is outsider->insider and insider->insider/outsider, lol.
 
and fuck the word "weird", isn't that these days discretely have become the nonimer of "doing or creating anything that is not known or popular; non-gesturally and myopically; often unconsciously or un-selfaware; for the sake of just doing it, without judging it first"? basically... individuality and personality of literally anyone and everyone? LOL.
 
EDIT: i guess i need to blurt this too, but im deliberately doing these crass examples and long posts, even if it's unfavourable for me or too thorough or childish or whatever... because i noticed during long years that if i don't push these crude shit out the way first, then i won't get to juicy bits like, ever? so in Cicada's terms, you sort of need to prod the young 13 yo You or whoever it is inside you, and get INTENSE about something or some some subject, even minitue of details, until you get juices goin. you can't filter too much/need to drop the filters for long enough and get into the groove, so you start to get more subconscious and relaxed, THEN cool shit comes out. having more earnestness and earnest attitude is unfortunately a must... i know right??? it's like being told to start willingly touch radioactive toxic waste, adult person: "b-b-but i can't RISK earnestness, because it will UNCALCULATED and people will REACT TO IT (*gasp!*) and think I ACTUALLY THINK THIS CRUDELY OR EMBARRASSEDLY!! hellppppp!!!!"
too tough? maybe this is why ragnar also said that he doesn't identify that strongly to his words/music, i get it from this perspective too? no other way to get to real subconscious and powerful stuff, if you just don't become day-dreamy and talk? u sorta need to let hair down. at least i need to, sort of start smackin' my mouth like an old timer, stare at the concrete while walkin out 24/7, put those suspensers into my pants, grow santa claus bear, hold my hands behind my back while studdling outabout taweatherbeautiful innasunnyday to everyone's shock, and just sort of, RUMINATE and SLOWLY THINK what to say to That Excelent Juicy Earchip Post About Planned Parenthood *snoort* i kid i kid ,il mio amigo. *says in husky latino alpha voice, hands AK47 to shocked earl* but yeah. im freeflowin this poops agin, because ive been wary of sayin anythin to anybody for months or years or however long, and unfortunately the only way is to push onwards... and not hold unto for dear life too much on every word i utter to somebody at specific point in time when its a continuous process... Time Moves Differently, Here In The Internet *voice is hollow and ghostly, everything is a real space and stars, bonzi reaches out to touch a star with bare hand, that now seems tiny inside the clusp of hand* ... And Mysteriously You Affect Other Living Beings All Over The Other Side Of This Whole Planet ...
 
the only thing i sigh aboutta gw is that we never had like, real asian continent ppl here? so we had like, japanaese talkin dudes sharin wack ass videos here. one can only dream *points itself* I DREAMT FOR YEARS *enigmatic voice, eyes are like two supernovas* i guess we got the closest with hundley by making a forum where us and forum bots post in same tandem/make topics equally amount & participate back and forth... but still!!!

i saw these kids a lot in anime/emo circles in youth and thought it was kinda counterfeit or pretending. i commit seppuku if you are one ragnar and are offended, but i figured VSnares/ATwin guygette musn't be too un-self-aware/self-serious?)

 
lol not really no, I try to enjoy some on occasion but just old stuff I watched at some point. Hellsing OST is still good because it's like spooky psych freakouts as entire tracks and the production values are very not anime
 
but um maybe it was my own personal experience but I swear some hardcore anime fans like, the OSTs they don't even know that other music exists kind of? Like think anime music/Japanese people invented jazz, Cowboy Bebop just randomly invents drum and bass with one track, no history going on there with normal people drum and bass having been a thing lol. Even most default anime music is probably roundabout inspired by 80s rock dudes
 
but yeah I get worried it's very isolated and cloistered, maybe don't even know what the Cowboy Bebop episode titles are referring to, just sounds cool and original and mysterious
 
Edit: maybe I'm exaggerating a little, but like, if your only musical experience is like Forsaken 64, you could create an alternate timeline where drum and bass stuff was created solely for videogames and was never like in da club sort of music. And like, it works /well enough/ with videogames so you're not imagining people spazzing out in a club to it

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but yeah the point I wanted to drive home is, u can never know if someone is just good at art stuff , and what I said about the line between fantasy and reality becoming more defined, and people can be like 'whoa that guy is really out there' but it doesn't have to entail actually taking the fantasy element at face value, it could just be good skillz at working the fantasy/reality distinction

I also said something elsewhere about, Wesley Willis is like real life crazy people music but it's kind of just weird pop music, there's a lot of technical trickery you can do to make the music sound 'unreal'. I don't even think most people pick up that the music loops at some point if the time signature is weird enough. And then that 'horror vacui' concept, you can intentionally make the music 'busy' beyond normal people's expectations of music, and just by that action you might fuck up people's capacity to take it in as a normal musical narrative. And like subverting expectations of pattern recognition, etc.

Edit: re: time signatures, as weird as that recent Venetian Snares album is, the title track, he just totally gives away the time signature of the track with this farty-sounding kickdrum. You just wait for the next fart kick and you can detect that the next bar or whatever has started. He does this in several songs, gives away the time signature/loop point with some glaringly obvious sample trigger

yeah i can get that sort of jaded malaise of veteran dumb topicer music maker heh *pushes ragnar bro-like with clenched fist brotherly on shoulder* but i think this is more emblematic/symptomatic of modern social media exposure though? people have become "aware of everything" to a point, where you start to think that disconnection from your emotional experience is normal. "i'm no longer young, teenie me who is seeking his own identity through peer groups and social activity = adult life must be about being ANTI-teeny, anti-emotion, ambiguity, etc etc".
also you are like "what's the point of getting IMMERSED of everything, like everything must be fabricated and alchemy, and too much earnestness is just foolish so you must be anti-earnest" etc.
this is still work in progress for me, but i realized lately that i generally become unable to get truly good work done in arts or even thinking if i just stay conscious/aware/SENSIBLE all the time?
probably reading something passively from a monitor 8h or more a day plays a part in this.
and then there's the grasp or thinking going on, like "ok well WHY and what kind of arts i want to do in 2018, like what's the point and why".

 
not sure if this is referencing other stuff, I was saying mostly in that quote that with the proper skills you can fake sort of 'crazy' sounding music, like there is maybe certain patterns of music that sound crazier than others and even if the musician is still a little 'off' they can fake being REALLY OFF with an elaborate musical aesthetic and composition choices
 
like re: cyriak, not sure how 'off' cyriak really is, a lot of it comes across as surreal humor (and has aesthetic value in its own way), wendyvainity comes across as the real thing. turns out wendyvainity was just an elaborate online persona
 
Edit: also re making music sound 'crazier', the Radiohead production Secret, just write lyrics that sound like someone having a nervous breakdown when you read it as literal text, but then sing it earnestly on the album
 
NO (x42) THE FLAN IN THE FACE THE FLAN IN THE FACE SQUEEZE THE TUBES
 
Edit: also I'm liking it's been like 99% text recently, just dumping the weird Youtube videos comes across as, not passive-aggressive but something sometimes? Maybe 'passive' without the aggressive part, like 'there, I've participated in Dumbtopic'
 
 

bonzi Ragnar distance/detachment from music

 
It's not just that, I've been producing serious electro Jeskola Buzz stuff (not just MIDIs) for like 12 years now and I literally sort of get amnesia about my own tunes, discography goes far back enough it no longer feels exactly like I was the author, if that makes sense. So it adds to the surrealness, it's music that sort of still entertains me but have no recollection of the mindset I was in. Even semi-recent albums I like, one album "based on an ideab" was supposed to be a straight rip of that Venetian Snares Traditional Synthesizer Music album but like texturally some things are similar, weird time signatures, but I sort of got tired of going for exact aesthetics and just made some tracks, lol. And then there was a follow up EP that was like no longer even based on the snares album, like a riff on my own album lol
 
something about santa claus beard too, I feel like I'm the only one at my age/millenial type prepared to get old (like financially unsure but emotionally PROBABLY MOST LIKELY) will even have a fursona at that point but even the fursona gracefully will go into old age lol
 
 
also re: the word 'weird', the thing is I'M NOT SURE if people say 'weird' anymore, it's always like a hip equivalent of saying 'weird' like a e s t h e t i c   or something, like they don't have the confidence to just say 'it's weird'. But not sure
 
 
 
Edit: I know it's an internet troll/tropey thing to call 'autism' on stuff but like, do you guys think it's true about people on the internet faking autism the moment they feel a little odd or eccentric, and then it's like not even really earnest kind of eccentricness it's liking Invader Zim and saying 'i like pie' in the middle of conversation? At least in like 2005 it was lol But like that's kind of the insulting thing as far as people want a plausible explanation for being odd or 'weird'  online but just as far as charming character traits I guess? Or they come across as more autistic than a real autistic person? It's bizarre. Also without necessarily being autism I would say random furries are like true eccentric behavior, real life eccentric would be like the sort of weirdly charming stuff /combined/ with gros stuff you'd never want to think about, probably. Real life MacGuyver would also store jars of his urine and sell on EBay
 
 
lol I tried to sum up furries in like what I consider positive about it
 

if america was founded on kink freedom instead of religious freedom

 
like even if they do it in a way that just feels lazy/shirking responsibility by not banning certain people it seems like a consistent viewpoint. Everyone might have their own weird thing going on and even if there is harmful kink stuff going on nobody wants to moralize about it. Again America, if every senator had to register on a form what kind of stuff they were into in bed they'd probably stfu about legislating random stuff more. Let's say it's anonymous to the general public but all of the senate knows every other senator's weird bedroom shit, and almost ends up as insurance or leverage

we were talking elsewhere about the new Christopher Robin kind dark and gritty CGI Disney movie (is this officially one of the CGI "reboots"). Dark and gritty Winnie the Pooh lol
 
but like I think people are focusing too much on like, objectively if dark (or just depressive) themes are harmful for child, so my opinion finally
 

I still think kids are maybe halfway intelligent and it's not like some clear cut distinction between dark/happy kids film that's going to mess up a kid, like it can be detected to some extent whether the animators and everything actually gave a fuck? (unlike a lot of modern CGI stuff) Like weird feeling like in spite of depressing themes of the film, "somebody made this for me in a pretty authentic way" i dunno

 
like even if old video games were mostly a mystery as far as coding them I think most of us knew they were a shitload of work to make? So like you're more inclined to be analytical and there's a 'reason' if there's a dark theme. I think the stuff that messes with a kid is more, it WOULD probably be more like those automated/neural network created Dora surgery games where it's just wanton violence and there really is /no reason/ because the computor can't think for itself
 
but also lazy moviemaking would come across that way, like the moviemakers are just lazy and have a vendetta against childhood or something. But not even hard-working enough to make a highly complex interesting movie about why they hate childhood
 
 
the example post that triggered my post was a clip from Secret of NIMH
 
 
Edit: I also said something that possibly most of the stuff people label as 'uncanny valley' is just like a lack of enthusiasm which is like projected onto the character designs and animations, like the animations themselves have the lack of enthusiasm

hey fun fact it occured to me, that it could be Christian shit going on (depressing kids with Christianity like usual) and lol the term literally just means SKULL
 

Calvary, or Golgotha (Biblical Greek Γολγοθᾶ[ς] Golgotha, traditionally interpreted as reflecting Syriac (Aramaic) golgolta,[1] as it were Hebrew gulgōleṯ "skull"[2]), was, according to the Gospels, a site immediately outside Jerusalem's walls where Jesus was crucified.[3]

 
but yeah like the modern stuff if it's depressing is coming from this not even Christian-rooted, atheist or half-assed religious beliefs, just sort of techno-nihilism and which is really worse, I don't know