Topic of the Week 2 - The Minimum Wage

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crone_lover720

#21 February 02, 2011, 07:12:18 pm

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Quote from: earlchip on February 01, 2011, 02:34:24 am

actually no that's not all of it. it's that there are so many different ways to improve peoples lives, and believe it or not throwin money at em isn't one of them. it's actually kind of absurd

it has been pointed out to me that this could be taken multiple ways. what I meant to say is that it's absurd to think that money is going to solve any problems in an effective manner when money is one of the problem's own devices. if you're thinking about helping or protecting the poor, this really isn't the path you should be taking. of course at the present I think it's pretty obvious a decently high minimum wage is a necessary bandaid, and the only real argument is whether or not it should be higher or lower. I'm not too interested in that conversation--isn't this all figured out by statistics and number-crunching and things that have very little to do with ideals or anything truly meaningful anyway

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Hundley

#22 February 03, 2011, 02:58:33 am

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i think there needs to be a MAXIMUM wage.

also we should get that cocksucker andrew jackson off the twenty and put leon trotsky's wonderful mug on there, ice axe and all so nobody gets too fucking comfortable in case i think up something better

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#23 February 03, 2011, 02:59:19 am

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woah woah woah don't go talkin bad about andrew jackson. motherfucker was so full of lead from gunfights that he rattled like a bag of marbles.

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#24 February 03, 2011, 03:02:23 am

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#25 February 03, 2011, 03:05:46 am

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A maximum wage wouldn't help as the corporations would just be holding back all the money making the companies richer. The extra money wouldn't actually go anywhere useful.

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#26 April 22, 2011, 07:20:29 am

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#27 April 22, 2011, 10:35:13 am

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Plus, non-judgment may not
mean what you think it does (keep dAR7mg reading for a different definition)

yes you hit the nail on the head! :saltstachethumbsup:

imo there's a huge problem with minimum wage when it is INCREASED and that's that companies don't have to match that.

to explain better: there have been TWO instances in the past five or six years or whatever when i was working at a minimum wage job, and then i got a raise (yay!). but then right after i got the raise, the state's minimum wage was increased, to be pretty much what i was making with the raise. my salary wasn't increased proportionally: in other words, the increase in minimum wage canceled out my raise, so that i was still making as much as any newhire. and apparently lots of large companies will INTENTIONALLY give out raises right before states increase minimum wage just to do this and screw people out of getting legitimate raises.

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#28 April 22, 2011, 03:46:50 pm

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That IS a problem for like yourself, and I'd be annoyed to, but surely it's better that EVERYONE gets that little boost out of poverty?

Companies doing the shitty thing you describe are pretty disgusting though. I can see a parallel with the story of Ananias from Acts (sorry I have been teaching about WEALTH, CHARITY AND POVERTY this week), which is terrible considering that dada reminds me that the right wing in the US consists of right wing Christians in a weird alliance with neocapitalist businessmen. Surely there is CONFLICT over issues like false charity?

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#29 April 22, 2011, 03:50:07 pm

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yeah pretty much. jesus essentially preached socialism

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#30 April 22, 2011, 04:52:24 pm

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And yet like most people DON'T give to charity. I mean I know quite a few do, but I'm pretty sure that the people of the UK don't give as much as we should. We're like the world's fifth leading economy, yet I know that Saudi Arabia gives more as a percentage of GDP than we do by a long ways

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#31 April 23, 2011, 12:04:33 am

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Quote from: Faust on April 22, 2011, 03:46:50 pm

That IS a problem for like yourself, and I'd be annoyed to, but surely it's better that EVERYONE gets that little boost out of poverty?

Companies doing the shitty thing you describe are pretty disgusting though. I can see a parallel with the story of Ananias from Acts (sorry I have been teaching about WEALTH, CHARITY AND POVERTY this week), which is terrible considering that dada reminds me that the right wing in the US consists of right wing Christians in a weird alliance with neocapitalist businessmen. Surely there is CONFLICT over issues like false charity?

Does it really surprise you that the religious right wing is aligned with the interests of capital? When have the teachings of christ ever prevented the church from supporting reactionary politics?

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Ryan

#32 April 23, 2011, 12:09:37 am

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umm pretty sure jesus mentioned something about bootstraps SOMEWHERE in that bigass book, geeze -_-

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#33 April 23, 2011, 12:31:41 am

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#34 April 23, 2011, 12:42:51 am

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#35 April 23, 2011, 07:51:40 am

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Does it really surprise you that the religious right wing is aligned with the interests of capital? When have the teachings of christ ever prevented the church from supporting reactionary politics?

Well it doesn't SURPRISE me when I think about it, but it's still pretty shocking. The majority of Christians in the US are from non-Catholic sects, a lot of them evangelical, presumably split from the church due to like PAPAL GREED and shit. It's pure hypocrisy to then go on to support big business over the principles of Jesus. I mean, Judaism doesn't really contain any condemnation of wealth - in fact, wealth is encouraged as a means to do good - but there are a LOT of rules about how you need to look after the "stranger" and help them out, to the extent that we're commanded to give 10% of our earnings to charity, with an encouragement to give 20%. I count this as net rather than gross, but even so.

The catamites...wow. Just wow...

That is a great video (hooray Moore) but why is Jesus played by Viggo Mortisen?

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#36 April 24, 2011, 09:49:34 pm

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As of today, Mexico's minimum wage varies from $4.8usd to $5.15usd per day (depending on the zone).

The minimum wage supposedly guarantees the minimum monthly income for any person to have a decent life. Problem is, it guarantees the individual well-being, but not his or her family. Moreover, several rights are not completly guranteed by the state which strongly compromises the minimum wage purpose.

In Mexico's case, it's far too low. Specially now that several basic foods prices have increased because of a rise in gasoline prices. In México's case, I think there should be a maximum wage in state-related jobs.

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#37 April 26, 2011, 03:09:13 pm

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Food prices are insane. I work at a grocery store so I see it first hand. Just 2 weeks ago the price of a gallon of milk went from $3.09 to $4.09 overnight. And it's stayed there ever since.

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#38 April 26, 2011, 03:20:36 pm

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isnt mexico essentially a failed state by now?

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#39 April 27, 2011, 04:40:44 am

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Quote from: Ryan on April 26, 2011, 03:20:36 pm

isnt mexico essentially a failed state by now?

Arguably. As of 2010, Mexico ranks place 96 (1 being Somalia and 177 Norway) in the Failed States Index.

I'm no expert in the field. I could say that Mexico right now fails under that category mainly because of the Mexican Drug War. There are, indeed, parts in which the goverment has lost control.

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