do you really not have a clue, or has this all been an act? if I'm going to give an apology, I'm not going to do it on dada's terms. you're not vel, you're entirely peripheral to this situation - yet here you are, continuing to insult me from your totally artificial moral high ground.

Actually the only thing I was doing by saying that was save you some time, because that's not a real apology and I very strongly doubt she would accept it as such. I'm not the one being apologized to, so what I think doesn't matter, but if you're really so confident in the power of "sorry for any stress this might have caused" then yeah go right ahead and use that and then come back here and tell me that I'm wrong. Not before.

So did you try? I doubt you did. Did she accept this apology? Doubt that even more.

If you want to criticize me for being on a fake moral high ground, do it after you've sent your fabulous apology.

as far as I can tell, you really don't give a shit. I'm sensitive towards these issues. empathy for fellow human beings was, in fact, a major reason why I even choose to defend mince, and it is on these issues that you made sure to attack me.

Yeah your empathy for fellow human beings has been so exemplary in this case that inri's posts "don't bother you on any level".

How about showing some of that empathy for Vellfire, earlchip. And not just for the guy that made her feel like shit.

I mean yeah, I'm really glad you think there's something wrong with inri that you want fixed. I hope you succeed. The issue has always been that I'm not going to let this situation continue while you stand on the sidelines and do your wonderful liberal job of fixing inri cheetos while he's out causing this sort of thing. You've been arguing from the start that all of this is OK because CMON GUYS HES INRI and Vellfire is a hypocrite anyway for liking a song. Between that and the fact that most of your arguments were demonstrably bullshit, I've actually been pretty mild with you. I'm not targeting you because I've got something against you but because you're espousing genuinely putrid viewpoints and frankly I'm more than a little disappointed I've been virtually alone on this.

you're not an imbecile, you can figure out how to construct an argument without throwing in every possible degradation you think of. by whatever excuse you have, that's not what you chose to do. but what's really astonishing is that you, by all appearances, feel absolutely no guilt about this at all. you staunchly refuse to give anything even resembling an apology, choosing to further mock me instead.

Why do you deserve an apology??? Did anything happen to you? Did you get targeted by the patriarchy, too?

Besides that, the way I see it, I already gave you an apology: "I do apologize for any understandable stress this caused you or anyone".

Hey you know whose apology that looks like.

It looks like your apology to Vellfire. Word for word.

also dada, you're kinda coming on way too strong with this apology thing... if he's sorry he'll apologize to her, idk if it helps when you put her feelings on blast on here. i think u guys should just settle this over PM or an instant messenger application so you can talk in realtime to come to an understanding and be bros/sis' once again

I really strongly doubt vell and earl will be bro/sis again anytime soon because there's a pretty big/insurmountable difference in opinion here. but it should be noted I'm not demanding an apology from him because that's not my place. it's an imperative if he wants to even try and patch things up somehow, but like I said I doubt it'll even matter.

I'm okay with going to PM entirely but I'm not about to leave important things posted in public left unanswered.

its a difference in opinion if you can't accept it, let the shit go.

When I used the word "opinion" I wasn't exactly referring to an opinion like WHAT'S YOUR FAVORITE COLOR. this isn't an unimportant issue. (besides, if you're uninterested in hearing about it, then why are you getting involved again.)