like even pilots know how to land and maybe get short distances without gps (I think) but none of our international traveling shits like that would be able to operate on a level that could sustain the status quo at any rate. Least I don't think so.

Just chiming in to say that while very useful, GPS is not essential to aeronautical navigation. Any pilot with an IFR rating will know how to fly across the country, or even the ocean, using nothing but ground radio beacons, ATC, and a magnetic compass. Also, as long as you can get close enough to pick up an airfield's radio beacon (often a VOR, which was developed 75 years ago and is still used today) you're fine; GPS has nothing to do with landing an airplane.

okay carry on gents

Edit: also, look up intertial navigation systems, still used on many aircraft today including the KC-135 which I flew on.

lol this is kinda gross.  I mean, I'd rather eat the real things over these ones.  I'm sure they don't taste like them.  I mean how can you get the Haggis to taste real when it's made from oats and nuts? It's not gonna...

http://www.vegancorner.com/blog/v/strangely-alluring-seven-most-bizarre-vegan-foods

kind of seems like your present complaint is more aesthetic than analytic.

no, i think you just don't understand marx or capital as well as you think you do and you're completely wrong.

capitalism does not work as it is prescribed to work. it's broken.

that's just silly. it was never "prescribed" to "work", it wasn't a deliberate algorithm that was designed by the overlords to operate in a certain way. This is an ahistorical and frankly autistic way to view society

Just chiming in to say that while very useful, GPS is not essential to aeronautical navigation. Any pilot with an IFR rating will know how to fly across the country, or even the ocean, using nothing but ground radio beacons, ATC, and a magnetic compass. Also, as long as you can get close enough to pick up an airfield's radio beacon (often a VOR, which was developed 75 years ago and is still used today) you're fine; GPS has nothing to do with landing an airplane.

okay carry on gents

Edit: also, look up intertial navigation systems, still used on many aircraft today including the KC-135 which I flew on.

What about magnetic compass error? Is it just less prominent in flying or do you have to figure that shit while you're flying?

Thats pretty much how we fall back magnetic compass and radar but we use Gyro compasses that factor out the error. Maybe its when weighing in currents and point of reference from sea that makes it more difficult. I'm not saying its not possible but way less efficient causing alot of commercial flight deadlines and shipping deadlines to not be met causing the market to be effected because of the adaption of the economy to easier tech?

I dunno but if you can elaborate please do because I'm just really getting into this stuff. I just finished a radar and Arpa class and learning about the development of radar in ww2 and its advancement to today is pretty awesome.
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gyro_compass

This is what I'm talking about compass that uses gps though I think thats a modern thing, the gps being intigrated. I think a gyro compass is an advanced form of your gyroscope.
 

no, i think you just don't understand marx or capital as well as you think you do and you're completely wrong

why are you being a condescending dick dude I thought we were getting past that shit.

why are you being a condescending dick dude I thought we were getting past that shit.

fuck you, i'm drunk and he's wrong

dude I bet I could fly a plane with a little training.

I'm only gonna use 3 of the 6 direction of forces(I think its called (is there 6 on a plane?) Sway, Surge, and Yaw

we use VHF too but I dunno if its the same or not. Like we use VHF radios and I think we have a short distance VHF nav thing but I don't know if its what you're talking about.
 
My mom is a secretary for the local DOD airforce base or something like that and that pilot training is supposed to be incredibly strenuous and difficult kudos for getting through that shit. I don't think I could do it I'd probably go insane from the stress alone.

$quot dietcoke || biggles autistic (!!) $quot;;;;;

no dialogue possible without charitable interpretation etc. it's always difficult to get through this stuff in short sentences so if you got book recs then i'm game. hard to think of a better source than the guy himself but I have taken Capital pretty sideways so far. in order to take him completely at face value, i'd need a familiarity with Hegel beyond what I can stomach. instead I'm approaching it like someone trained in theoretical computer science who likes Russell a lot and knows enough about the philosophers who influenced Marx to get a decent grip on his argument style and enough economics and anthropology to know about some of the debates that followed. because that's who I get to be today. dude has a massive academic legacy though. in that sense, understanding Marx isn't something many people achieve.

i expect that you do know more about contemporary marxism than I do. i'd sure like to know what you believe, but my vast ignorance cannot be cured with the exchanging of fightin' words.

lots of ppl can fly a plane. a buddy of mine took lessons on a little cessna and I went up with him a few times, those little planes are a whole lot of fun

$quot dietcoke || biggles autistic (!!) $quot;;;;;

no dialogue possible without charitable interpretation etc. it's always difficult to get through this stuff in short sentences so if you got book recs then i'm game. hard to think of a better source than the guy himself but I have taken Capital pretty sideways so far. in order to take him completely at face value, i'd need a familiarity with Hegel beyond what I can stomach. instead I'm approaching it like someone trained in theoretical computer science who likes Russell a lot and knows enough about the philosophers who influenced Marx to get a decent grip on his argument style and enough economics and anthropology to know about some of the debates that followed. because that's who I get to be today. dude has a massive academic legacy though. in that sense, understanding Marx isn't something many people achieve.

i expect that you do know more about contemporary marxism than I do. i'd sure like to know what you believe, but my vast ignorance cannot be cured with the exchanging of fightin' words.

w/e i have a science and math background too but it really doesn't matter with regards to understanding this stuff, they're just books. i mean if you stuck to the cybernetics angle you could make a compelling, if creepy, case for your position but since you're dragging marx into the discussion and admitting you don't really understand him then the situation presents several limitations as to where this discussion can even go. Read Capital Vol. 1, the penguin edition with the Mandel introduction and 'Results of the Immediate Process of Production' as an appendix, I guess if you're looking for a book rec.


idk where you're even coming from with needing to read hegel to understand capital "at face value", that's ridiculous and sounds like a more of a posture/excuse more than anything. it's a pretty straightforward text and was deliberately written to be accessible to an audience outside of academia.

I just ordered a copy of Capital. Maybe a bunch of us should read it and make a topic here for a Capital study group. We can assist each other and not call each other fucking retards who make each other want to puke all the time.

I just ordered a copy of Capital. Maybe a bunch of us should read it and make a topic here for a Capital study group. We can assist each other and not call each other fucking retards who make each other want to puke all the time.

if u got questions about it msg me and i will do the best i can to answer u. i'd recommend reading it along with David Harvey's lectures as he's really good at breaking it down(even though he's dumb liberal politically)

dude I bet I could fly a plane with a little training.

I'm only gonna use 3 of the 6 direction of forces(I think its called (is there 6 on a plane?) Sway, Surge, and Yaw

we use VHF too but I dunno if its the same or not. Like we use VHF radios and I think we have a short distance VHF nav thing but I don't know if its what you're talking about.
 
My mom is a secretary for the local DOD airforce base or something like that and that pilot training is supposed to be incredibly strenuous and difficult kudos for getting through that shit. I don't think I could do it I'd probably go insane from the stress alone.

I'm not sure what you mean by directional forces, but on an aircraft the 3 axes of movement are pitch, yaw, and roll. Unless you mean shit like drag vs. thrust and lift vs. weight?

Edit: also I realized that magnetic compasses are less error prone on aircraft because they are mostly aluminum, whilst ships are primarily steel.

yeah thats true about the aluminum I didn't think about that.

Yeah I meant directional forces. I deal with those but not drag vs thrust and lift vs weight.

lol I could've bought a copy of Fighting Force 2 today but I watched a video of it and I'm glad I didn't. But my mind lit up after the oppurtunity was gone like OBSCURE GAME must get